Stadium Discussion

[Seth]

Is that track oblong at like 20m wide by 180m long??? It's like the Circus Maximus in Rome

 

[Seth]

Is that track oblong at like 20m wide by 180m long??? It's like the Circus Maximus in Rome

Actually, here's a better idea of its size. This is Icahn Stadium for comparison, a standard 400 meter track.

 

[Ulrich]

Actually, here's a better idea of its size. This is Icahn Stadium for comparison, a standard 400 meter track.

So it's the perfect size for Maxi?

 

[Seth]

So it's the perfect size for Maxi?

Now that's just wrong.

 

[Ulrich]

Now that's just wrong.

Umm, it's a small but fierce track?

 

[adam]

Umm, it's a small but fierce track?

 

[Seth]

Umm, it's a small but fierce track?

I thought about this a small amount and as usual, I pay little attention to short comments such as yours.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I thought about this a small amount and as usual, I pay little attention to short comments such as yours.

Really small minded of you.

 

[Seth]

Really small minded of you.

I give short shrift to comments of that nature.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Stadium thread: the place to be for pun-ishing retorts.

 

[adam]

I'm drunk and have 1,263 unread posts from this week. Is this the point I just mark all as read and pretend like nothing happened?

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I'm drunk and have 1,263 unread posts from this week. Is this the point I just mark all as read and pretend like nothing happened?

Depends on how much hazing you're willing to take.

 

[mgarbowski]

I'm drunk and have 1,263 unread posts from this week. Is this the point I just mark all as read and pretend like nothing happened?

You've got a 4-day Independence Day weekend. Read, for club and country.

 

[JayH]

I'm drunk and have 1,263 unread posts from this week. Is this the point I just mark all as read and pretend like nothing happened?

Just home in on the important ones.

 

[JayH]

Just home in on the important ones.

It will be worth your wild.

 

[Christopher Jee]

I disagree. I think the Yankees bear clear responsibility here, and it's letting them off too easy to argue, as they do, that they provide funds and nothing more and therefore shouldn't be held responsible.

(1) The Yankees set the thing up in the first place. The governance structure (a clear slush fund from the get-go!) was in their control at the time. (2) It was set up in order to close the deal on YS. (3) It's got the Yankees' name on it. (4) The charity delivers its annual reports to the Yankees and only the Yankees—implying Yankees control (or at least a watchdog function), and positioning the Yankees as the only party with sufficient information to hold the charity accountable.

And I think, Gator, that you're trying to have it both ways. (Respectfully; I'm not trying to internet-fight, here.) On the one hand, you say it's unfair to imply that the Yankees "are behind the shenanigans." On the other hand, you say they "had to pay off local pols." So we agree that they knew exactly what they were doing. However they're trying to spin it (pretty weak spin, too, if you ask me), the upshot is the same: They promised community benefits as a selling point for getting neighborhood buy-in, but then they structured the charity in such a way that they knew it wouldn't deliver. That puts them "behind the shenanigans" by any layperson's read of the situation. Even if you argue that the nature of the thing at the time escaped them (which is frankly unbelievable), their subsequent sole receipt of annual reports and refusal to either release that information or act on it puts the blame on them.

One way or another, it's clear that they sold the neighborhood a bill of goods, made promises they knew at the time they weren't going to keep. That's going to matter when NYCFC tries to make similar promises in pursuit of the SSS.

I'd like to think that our club is trying to avoid enabling these kinds of scenarios as they put together a stadium plan, but I'm getting the sense that y'all find it inevitable. I don't have a ton of experience in these matters, but if that's the case, I'd find it tough to justify continuing to invest my money, emotional energy and time into this club.

 

[Goodfella]

Did I miss a post or five about this location?

You didn't. I walk by there frequently and it's popped into my head that it might fit

 

[NickFromAstoria]

I'd like to think that our club is trying to avoid enabling these kinds of scenarios as they put together a stadium plan, but I'm getting the sense that y'all find it inevitable. I don't have a ton of experience in these matters, but if that's the case, I'd find it tough to justify continuing to invest my money, emotional energy and time into this club.

Sorry, there's probably going to be a bit of it at least. When we have such a byzantine land use process that offers a lot of different entry points for this kind of soft graft, big projects like this offer a sweet target. I guess it's a matter of figuring out whether we're in for the light dusting of corruption or the full mud bath.

Anyway, we're all here now thanks to the investment of an authoritarian petrostate's sovereign wealth fund, sooo I think we may have passed that point already...

 

[Christopher Jee]

Sorry, there's probably going to be a bit of it at least. When we have such a byzantine land use process that offers a lot of different entry points for this kind of soft graft, big projects like this offer a sweet target. I guess it's a matter of figuring out whether we're in for the light dusting of corruption or the full mud bath.

Anyway, we're all here now thanks to the investment of an authoritarian petrostates sovereign wealth fund, sooo I think we may have passed that point already...

Mm. I'm not gonna claim that I haven't been a bit of a moral zombie up to now, but I do feel somewhat mollified that CFG seems to favor decent dealings.

I did a quick search for articles about CFG corruption, hoping to turn up something similar to the Yankees article, but didn't find a lot.

This article was pretty damn adulatory, apart from mentioning that the areas around the Etihad remain poor: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...l/30/manchester-city-human-rights-accusations

Perhaps I'm just being naive.

 

[Seth]

You didn't. I walk by there frequently and it's popped into my head that it might fit

Whew, was worried for a minute there! In the future though please submit walking routes to the forum with three days advance notice. I like to be prepared, ya know?