Stadium Discussion

[mgarbowski]

It's crazy to be parsing these tweets like this, but though Crooks and Joy agree a deal is not done, Joy says he is confident it is "close" while Crooks says unequivocally it is not "even close." Maybe they're not just regurgitating spoon-fed talking points. Or maybe they have different interpretations of what they've been told and or have direct knowledge of.

 

[Kenny]

Whatever you think of Araos, there is much to agree with here.

If BDB is a serious candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination, it make supporting a stadium harder. Gentrification, government subsidies, and the UAE connection are all going to be used by other progressives as a cudgel - and that’s true whether or not the criticism so, I’ve had conversations with a couple of people in my town who work for companies that the Club has involved in the stadium deal: one for financing and one for engineering work.

Also, I’ve had conversations with a couple of people in my town who work for companies that the Club has involved in the stadium deal: one for financing and one for engineering work.

Do you know which engineering firm? Can you say?

 

[The Toe]

Trusting Nick Chavez is your first mistake

 

[JayH]

Trusting Nick Chavez is your first mistake

Yes. But it is really strange that he was able to trigger such a public chain reaction from the team or team mouthpieces for a game of telephone rumor.

 

[Jon]

Yes. But it is really strange that he was able to trigger such a public chain reaction from the team or team mouthpieces for a game of telephone rumor.

My feeling exactly. Plenty of people have posted rumors about a deal being close both on the forums and on Twitter. Yes, Nick has plenty of followers, but it's not like he's known outside the NYCFC universe. So to have both Glenn and Ian responding so vehemently seems a little out of place.

 

[Dreaming_NYC]

Don’t kill the messenger, just sharing:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1130529804527296513

 

[Gotham Gator]

Do you know which engineering firm? Can you say?

I honestly don't remember - in fact it may have been more project management than the actual engineering. Even so, I'd probably keep it to myself to prevent any issues.

 

[ZYanksRule]

My feeling exactly. Plenty of people have posted rumors about a deal being close both on the forums and on Twitter. Yes, Nick has plenty of followers, but it's not like he's known outside the NYCFC universe. So to have both Glenn and Ian responding so vehemently seems a little out of place.

I don't follow Nick so when I saw Ian's tweet I did a double-take and tried to figure out where the rumor came from. Was pretty shocked to see it was Chavez. I didn't know people took him that seriously.

 

[The Toe]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1134202040635330569

Phew. (didn't know where to put this)

 

[LionNYC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1134202040635330569

Phew. (didn't know where to put this)

The schedule thread.

 

[JayH]

At least we have better attendance in a baseball stadium than many baseball teams.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/30/mlbs-...utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

 

[Kjbert]

I asked my father this over the weekend when we were watching the Yankees-Royals

Who is going to build the first stadium that actually fits their demographics? The Royals shouldn’t have spent the money to upgrade the stadium when they did. They should have bulldozed 40% of it.

 

[dummyrun]

At least we have better attendance in a baseball stadium than many baseball teams.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/30/mlbs-...utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

This got me curious so I looked up league-wide attendance data. Looks like MLB's still doing pretty well, especially if you assume attendance climbs in the summer and full-year numbers for 2019 will probably wind up near recent seasons.

Source: https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/misc.shtml

 

[mgarbowski]

This got me curious so I looked up league-wide attendance data. Looks like MLB's still doing pretty well, especially if you assume attendance climbs in the summer and full-year numbers for 2019 will probably wind up near recent seasons.

Source: https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/misc.shtml

It's amazing just how few people attended baseball games until 1980 or so, especially considering that it was the dominant team sport in the country (at least until the 1970s) and games were not regularly televised. It is impressive today that they are able today to maintain an average in the neighborhood of 30k per game for 81-home-game seasons with all games broadcast and streamed and all the other entertainment options available.
But I think the article is fair when it highlights 2 issues: the recent trend is down, and the average masks some disastrous numbers in a few markets. Trends turn all the time, but when the league commissioner publicly admits season tickets sales are down and they are working on alternatives to boost attendance, then it is real issue. The specific market problem is tougher. MLB doesn't want to contract, but there are few cities left that are big and dense enough to move into.

 

[Victors87]

Was reading this article and got a bit bummed out.....i mean if we have to work with MTA (metronorth is adjacent to site) on building on GAL site..... could be years, and $$$$$ to different entities


http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/05/new-york-infrastructure-costs.html#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

 

[sbrylski]

I asked my father this over the weekend when we were watching the Yankees-Royals

Who is going to build the first stadium that actually fits their demographics? The Royals shouldn’t have spent the money to upgrade the stadium when they did. They should have bulldozed 40% of it.

The new Oakland Athletic's stadium is only supposed to be 34k, smallest in MLB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Ballpark

 

[Kjbert]

Victors87 that was a really cool article. Thank you for sharing

 

[Ulrich]

Was reading this article and got a bit bummed out.....i mean if we have to work with MTA (metronorth is adjacent to site) on building on GAL site..... could be years, and $$$$$ to different entities


http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/05/new-york-infrastructure-costs.html#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

Yeah, the MTA, and really any government agency gets killed on Design/Build projects because they’re usually of a mega size that requires Union workers, with Union wages and manpower policies ridiculously higher than normal, but more importantly (as touched on in the article) are the premium coefficient multiplier added by the Contractor/Engineering Company to cover their asses since the contract mandates delivery no matter what with them on the hook for overruns or garnering saved profit.

 

[FredMertz]

Yeah, the MTA, and really any government agency gets killed on Design/Build projects because they’re usually of a mega size that requires Union workers, with Union wages and manpower policies ridiculously higher than normal, but more importantly (as touched on in the article) are the premium coefficient multiplier added by the Contractor/Engineering Company to cover their asses since the contract mandates delivery no matter what with them on the hook for overruns or garnering saved profit.

You know, we should probably put a businessman in charge. Someone with experience developing real estate projects.

What could go wrong?

 

[Ulrich]

You know, we should probably put a businessman in charge. Someone with experience developing real estate projects.

What could go wrong?

As long as they’ve never bankrupted a company and/or are in bed with the mafia, and/or employ idiot immediate family members.