Stadium Discussion

[SoupInNYC]

Is that because the big players in the decision are the EDC and City Hall? Also the Bronx Borough president and local councilman (or woman)? Any other parties? But I guess this at least assures us that CB4 will not oppose the project once/if it is pre-approved and gets to the public hearings phase? Although so many things could happen between now and then, especially with the unprecedented economic crisis, that a year from now CB4 could be massively against despite this vote? But I guess also the cash crunch, massive recession, loss of biz, etc. that the city is suffering and will suffer for the foreseeable future gives City group a better chance to jump through hurdles fast by throwing cash around, if they were so inclined?

I'm sorry it's all questions. My understanding of the process is iffy.

So its a few things.

EDC is the project sponsor. While they are instrumental in many things going forward and some items will have to run through them, they actually won't be taking any "votes" through the public review process.

Those votes will come from CB4 (though even if they don't approve, they can be overridden), Bronx Borough Pres, City Planning, City Council, Mayor.

IMO, this motion was just a small step forward. It doesn't have any impact on any votes taken, it really just calls more attention to the ULI TAP report that was done and starts to align CB4's vision on what this new development should achieve for the community. There won't be any vote on development actions until this moves into ULURP, which it hasn't yet though I don't think we're too far off from that.

 

[Brooklyn Blue]

To supplement the excellent summary above - and if you wish to get more into the weeds of zoning actions - the two links below might help:

DCP application flow chart - https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/applicants/applicant-portal/dcpprocessmap.pdf

ULURP flow chart - https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/applicants/applicant-portal/lur.pdf

With respect to the community board review, be it this initial informational meeting or the actual ULURP review, one simple (and admittedly, cliché) way to think about it is as a mother in law. It is good to have her approval, but in the end it isn't her decision that matters.

 

[SoupInNYC]

With respect to the community board review, be it this initial informational meeting or the actual ULURP review, one simple (and admittedly, cliché) way to think about it is as a mother in law. It is good to have her approval, but in the end it isn't her decision that matters.

Lol, that's a fantastic way to put it.

 

[The Toe]

And the state ULURP process is open again after the 6-month-or-so hiatus, correct? Or at least will be soon?

 

[SoupInNYC]

To supplement the excellent summary above - and if you wish to get more into the weeds of zoning actions - the two links below might help:

DCP application flow chart - https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/applicants/applicant-portal/dcpprocessmap.pdf

ULURP flow chart - https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/applicants/applicant-portal/lur.pdf

With respect to the community board review, be it this initial informational meeting or the actual ULURP review, one simple (and admittedly, cliché) way to think about it is as a mother in law. It is good to have her approval, but in the end it isn't her decision that matters.

Lol, that's a fantastic way to put it.

But it is also incredibly important to have the local community's support, outside of the CB4 vote. (And I know you're not saying that local community support isn't important, just that the vote, at the end of the day, doesn't result in any final decisions).

For instance, today, the developers for the Industry City development withdrew their rezoning application that was coming up for a city council vote as local support started to dwindle.

Industry City withdraws rezoning application following opposition from local pols | amNewYork

Industry City leaders pulled the rezoning application for the sprawling Sunset Park complex on Tuesday after a host of Brooklyn lawmakers announced their

www.amny.com

Now, I know there is likely tons of political discussion around why this was killed, is this a good idea, etc. and I'm going to stay away from that. But, one thing is clear, and that is there was at least a perception that this development was not in the interests of the local community members, and now here it is being killed after having their application certified by DCP in October 2019.

 

[SoupInNYC]

And the state ULURP process is open again after the 6-month-or-so hiatus, correct? Or at least will be soon?

Yep, it started back up again on 9/14.

 

[Brooklyn Blue]

For instance, today, the developers for the Industry City development withdrew their rezoning application that was coming up for a city council vote as local support started to dwindle.

Industry City withdraws rezoning application following opposition from local pols | amNewYork

Industry City leaders pulled the rezoning application for the sprawling Sunset Park complex on Tuesday after a host of Brooklyn lawmakers announced their

www.amny.com

Now, I know there is likely tons of political discussion around why this was killed, is this a good idea, etc. and I'm going to stay away from that. But, one thing is clear, and that is there was at least a perception that this development was not in the interests of the local community members, and now here it is being killed after having their application certified by DCP in October 2019.

Industry City was shaping up to be an interesting vote. For years the local council member has had virtual "veto" power of rezoning actions, with the City Council never acting against the local member's position. However, for Industry City there was rumbling that key council members would vote for it despite Menchaca's opposition. Now we will not know.

 

[Kenny]

City Planning (like most agencies right now) is understaffed and resource-poor. Things are moving through environmental review and ULURP at a glacial pace. Developers are getting cold feet. This is all directly related to the pandemic's impact, and to a lesser (and related) extent, the uncertainty of next year's administration change-over.

The Industry City thing is a bit shocking.

 

[The Toe]

#SoupBomb

Is NYCFC’s Stadium Ready to Ramp Up?

New records shed light on the push to finalize development details before NYCFC’s stadium proposal begins public review.

theoutfield.org

 

[EganSoccerWords]

#SoupBomb

Is NYCFC’s Stadium Ready to Ramp Up?

New records shed light on the push to finalize development details before NYCFC’s stadium proposal begins public review.

theoutfield.org

SoupInNYC did a great job with this. It was a pleasure to see him flex his FOIL muscles.

 

[SoupInNYC]

#SoupBomb

Is NYCFC’s Stadium Ready to Ramp Up?

New records shed light on the push to finalize development details before NYCFC’s stadium proposal begins public review.

theoutfield.org

Several other interesting notes to highlight:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462279192489985

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462280077467652

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462280920395776

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462281767718917

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311445157053706241

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311444040194363392

 

[moogoo]

Several other interesting notes to highlight:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462279192489985

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462280077467652

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462280920395776

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462281767718917

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311445157053706241

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311444040194363392

great stuff!

$2 billion estimate will probably turn into $5 billion by the time it's all said and done. welcome to NYC.

 

[Shwafta]

SoupInNYC I applaud you for all the hard work you put into this. You're awesome!

 

[Buckley]

#SoupScoop

 

[LionNYC]

Several other interesting notes to highlight:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462279192489985

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462280077467652

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462280920395776

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311462281767718917

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311445157053706241

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311444040194363392

Chris deserves a Pulitzer for journalism.

And if construction starts in early 2022, that means we open the 2024 or 2025 season in a soccer stadium. Hope.

 

[QuigrNYCFC]

Moved to the UK recently with my wife and I've been really impressed (no surprises really) with The Guardian's sportswriting. This one is pretty great. Makes me want to get back to YS with the crappy sight lines and awkward pitch. Hopefully we'll soon have our own grounds..

The joy of seeing a football stadium for the first time

You wake up, realise it’s Saturday and smile. After a train trip, a pub stop and a walk through unfamiliar streets, you turn a corner and it’s there

www.theguardian.com

 

[franchise646]

Do we know if the club is keeping the old design form Harlem River Yards?

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

The thread has been viewed 1 million times. Wow.

 

[LionNYC]

And yet her husband blocked our original South Bronx stadium plan. Can't wait until they're out of government housing in 456 days!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1319064351861592064

 

[Buckley]

Sims just spoke on the pregame show, lots of progress made, most optimistic they’ve ever been about the project but stressed the most important hurdle is community feedback.