Stadium Discussion

[SoupInNYC]

I am also looking to provide some additional clarity regarding Bronx Parking Development, their lease, etc. but want to make sure I'm providing accurate info and context. I have quite a few legal documents on this I've been poring back through as I find time and just want to make sure I'm not misinterpreting anything or providing any inaccurate information (or accidentally alluding to something that may be inaccurate).

 

[canchon]

I have quite a few legal documents on this I've been poring back through

SoupInNYC = legend. If only CFG had this level of attention to detail.

 

[Buckley]

#SoupScoop

 

[FredMertz]

Unless something very dramatic happens in the nex two weeks, this will mark the third straight year a senior executive of the club has told me that a stadium deal was imminent and a near certainty by year-end.
I forget if this has been discussed on the forum, but this year, you can’t get much more senior than the man who said it, unless you speak to a member of the royal family.
It’s just an odd way to run a business.

 

[LionNYC]

Unless something very dramatic happens in the nex two weeks, this will mark the third straight year a senior executive of the club has told me that a stadium deal was imminent and a near certainty by year-end.
I forget if this has been discussed on the forum, but this year, you can’t get much more senior than the man who said it, unless you speak to a member of the royal family.
It’s just an odd way to run a business.

Was on that same call. Lied another year. Just be honest NYCFC and tell us that "it's hard to get it together, but we're working on it, when it happens everyone will know."

 

[mgarbowski]

Also realized we're on page 718 of this thread. We've passed 212 and 516. I guess maybe the stadium will be announced by 917.

Blew right past it and no one noticed. When we get to 999 we can call emergency services in England. Then we need a new template for 4 digit page despair jokes.

 

[ZYanksRule]

Unless something very dramatic happens in the nex two weeks, this will mark the third straight year a senior executive of the club has told me that a stadium deal was imminent and a near certainty by year-end.
I forget if this has been discussed on the forum, but this year, you can’t get much more senior than the man who said it, unless you speak to a member of the royal family.
It’s just an odd way to run a business.

We do, however, have more concrete information, and can see concrete progress. It's not a done deal yet, but unless the current situation they're working on falls apart, we are much further down the road than we were 12 months ago.

For that reason, I think it's a bit harsh to accuse them of "lying." I think it seems perfectly reasonable to assume they were planning on this thing being announced at some point this year before COVID stopped everything in its tracks.

 

[JayH]

We do, however, have more concrete information, and can see concrete progress. It's not a done deal yet, but unless the current situation they're working on falls apart, we are much further down the road than we were 12 months ago.

For that reason, I think it's a bit harsh to accuse them of "lying." I think it seems perfectly reasonable to assume they were planning on this thing being announced at some point this year before COVID stopped everything in its tracks.

I do think it's possible that they actually believed it this year.

 

[mgarbowski]

We do, however, have more concrete information, and can see concrete progress. It's not a done deal yet, but unless the current situation they're working on falls apart, we are much further down the road than we were 12 months ago.

For that reason, I think it's a bit harsh to accuse them of "lying." I think it seems perfectly reasonable to assume they were planning on this thing being announced at some point this year before COVID stopped everything in its tracks.

I agree lying is a harsh term and I might not have used it myself, but as noted, they’ve been making these representations for three years.
I also was personally told by the club’s highest level employee in 2018 that he hoped and expected to make an announcement by year end.
Based on the context of the discussion and his demeanor I find it hard to imagine he didn’t believe it at the time.
But based on what we know now about efforts and progress since then I cannot imagine a scenario under which his belief was reasonable.

 

[ZYanksRule]

I do think it's possible that they actually believed it this year.

Yes, I think that's the point I'm making.

Also, the statements made by Brad Sims were in February, before COVID. Had COVID not happened, I fully believe we would have had much more on the stadium by now.

 

[moogoo]

Yes, I think that's the point I'm making.

Also, the statements made by Brad Sims were in February, before COVID. Had COVID not happened, I fully believe we would have had much more on the stadium by now.

yea - F YOU COVID! (seriously).

 

[Jon]

What's that famous quote? "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, you can't get fooled again."

We should come to expect someone from NYCFC or the Yankees to make some broad generalization about the stadium right before the season starts saying they hope to have an announcement by the end of the year, only to get silence after that. I don't even pay attention to it anymore.

 

[Fantazma]

What's that famous quote? "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, you can't get fooled again."

We should come to expect someone from NYCFC or the Yankees to make some broad generalization about the stadium right before the season starts saying they hope to have an announcement by the end of the year, only to get silence after that. I don't even pay attention to it anymore.

 

[FredMertz]

We do, however, have more concrete information, and can see concrete progress. It's not a done deal yet, but unless the current situation they're working on falls apart, we are much further down the road than we were 12 months ago.

For that reason, I think it's a bit harsh to accuse them of "lying." I think it seems perfectly reasonable to assume they were planning on this thing being announced at some point this year before COVID stopped everything in its tracks.

You put the word "lying" in quotes, which generally means you think I used that word, which I did not.

Also, the high-ranking official who said this said it in late June, so COVID was well underway.

 

[ZYanksRule]

You put the word "lying" in quotes, which generally means you think I used that word, which I did not.

Also, the high-ranking official who said this said it in late June, so COVID was well underway.

You didn't say it, someone else did and I was responding to both posts without quoting the other one.

That's fair about June. I was referencing the public statement they put out in February.

 

[FredMertz]

You didn't say it, someone else did and I was responding to both posts without quoting the other one.

That's fair about June. I was referencing the public statement they put out in February.

Understood! Damn Lion.

 

[The Toe]

I honestly think that once the community issues are settled, the city is going to be desperate to get something like this project started.

 

[SoupInNYC]

I honestly think that once the community issues are settled, the city is going to be desperate to get something like this project started.

Most definitely. In fact there was a recent article including quotes from Scott Stringer (city comptroller and mayoral candidate) and Vanessa Gibson (one of the city council members representing Bx CB4) pushing for development and construction. Nothing is stadium related specifically, but pushing to build is a good thing for potential stadium progress.

The comptroller and mayoral candidate calls on de Blasio to resume affordable housing and school construction, along with infrastructure overhauls to boost the economy — even if it means borrowing big bucks.

The comptroller and mayoral candidate calls on de Blasio to resume affordable housing and school construction, along with infrastructure overhauls to boost the economy — even if it means borrowing big bucks.

www.thecity.nyc

 

[mgarbowski]

I honestly think that once the community issues are settled, the city is going to be desperate to get something like this project started.

Most definitely. In fact there was a recent article including quotes from Scott Stringer (city comptroller and mayoral candidate) and Vanessa Gibson (one of the city council members representing Bx CB4) pushing for development and construction. Nothing is stadium related specifically, but pushing to build is a good thing for potential stadium progress.

The comptroller and mayoral candidate calls on de Blasio to resume affordable housing and school construction, along with infrastructure overhauls to boost the economy — even if it means borrowing big bucks.

The comptroller and mayoral candidate calls on de Blasio to resume affordable housing and school construction, along with infrastructure overhauls to boost the economy — even if it means borrowing big bucks.

www.thecity.nyc

NYC moves forward with plan for special hotel permits

The Department of City Planning released its long-awaited proposal for requiring special permits for new hotels and expansions throughout the city.

therealdeal.com

NYC is on the verge of making it functionally impossible to build a new hotel in the city without paying off local politicians and the hotel workers union.
135 hotels and almost 40k rooms closed this year.
Restaurants and theaters are desperate for tourism to rebound.
But you’ll need a special permit to open any new hotel going forward.
Rooms will be more expensive.
Ift he city political class were even slightly inclined to make it easier to build to help the city’s economy this would not happen.
Maybe the stadium will be different, but don’t count on it.

 

[Kjbert]

NYC moves forward with plan for special hotel permits

The Department of City Planning released its long-awaited proposal for requiring special permits for new hotels and expansions throughout the city.

therealdeal.com

NYC is on the verge of making it functionally impossible to build a new hotel in the city without paying off local politicians and the hotel workers union.
135 hotels and almost 40k rooms closed this year.
Restaurants and theaters are desperate for tourism to rebound.
But you’ll need a special permit to open any new hotel going forward.
Rooms will be more expensive.
Ift he city political class were even slightly inclined to make it easier to build to help the city’s economy this would not happen.
Maybe the stadium will be different, but don’t count on it.

why wouldn’t Hilton just buy foreclosed buildings after all of this