I'm pretty sure that was Lewis that tackled him, which lead to the free kick goal by Gio.
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I'm pretty sure that was Lewis that tackled him, which lead to the free kick goal by Gio.
but...but...Herrera didn't play in that comeback.
Forum rationale would bench him now.
i think hes saying the Brillant slide was Ring. I honestly dont remember. Maybe im completely wrong and have no idea what he means.
Yup, agreed. There are major issues with this roster and we have no plan B, C, or D for losing Villa. Last fall was a lesson in this team getting burned out down the stretch. What have we done to reduce the amount of wear and tear a year-older DV is putting on himself? Not a thing. Giovinco gets to operate with Jozy drawing attention and punishing CBs, and we continue to want to have Villa on his own.
Oh I get it. Yes it was Ring. Same play. It's Monday morning, let me be lol.
Everyone agreed that Pirlo was great offensively but was a defensively liability. I have fought it, aside from the play he missed Gio and Gio had an amazing goal, and said i would come back with the stats after the game so here i am. In Pirlo's 68 minutes, aside from ethan white, Pirlo led the team in tackles. He led the team in recoveries and interceptions which took place all over the field. He was definitely our best defensive player in the midfield last night. Its also tough to win games when you have a defender (cough Brilliant cough) who ended the game with ZERO tackles. thats right ZERO.
ETA: Other players with zero tackles include Sweat, Villa, and Harrison. So not one but 2 defenders that didnt make a single tackle.
ETA: Other players with zero tackles include Sweat, Villa, and Harrison. So not one but 2 defenders that didnt make a single tackle.
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You started out ok, showing that Pirlo made a bunch of tackles, but trying to prove your point that he's some defensive destroyer by showing that our defenders made no tackles (gasp) is cherry picking. Here's the defense's contributions:Everyone agreed that Pirlo was great offensively but was a defensively liability. I have fought it, aside from the play he missed Gio and Gio had an amazing goal, and said i would come back with the stats after the game so here i am. In Pirlo's 68 minutes, aside from ethan white, Pirlo led the team in tackles. He led the team in recoveries and interceptions which took place all over the field. He was definitely our best defensive player in the midfield last night. Its also tough to win games when you have a defender (cough Brilliant cough) who ended the game with ZERO tackles. thats right ZERO.
ETA: Other players with zero tackles include Sweat, Villa, and Harrison. So not one but 2 defenders that didnt make a single tackle.
There are other defensive stats other than tackles you know. Brillant and Sweat made ZERO embarrassing plays to give up a goal, and they hid behind a player in the wall ZERO times.
Finally, here's the point you don't get. You can make a hundred tackles in the game, but if you mail it in at the top of the 18 against Giovinco, you did a bad job defending. Thats why he can't play, because he's exposable. A good team will get him to defend against their best player and all it takes is one or two moments to lose a game.
Combine that with the fact that NONE of Pirlo's orgasm-inducing passes led to a quality chance and he is a net negative.
At no point did i say hes a defensive destroyer just pointing out hes not the liability most people think he is. Anyone could have flubbed that tackle on Gio, he made a nice play, its reaching to blame that golaso on Pirlo. Pirlos passes led to very good chances all game so im not sure which game you were watching, but its not his fault if his team mates cant finish. You seem to want to make excuses for 2 defenders not having a single tackle but not for Pirlo getting beat by arguably one of the best players in the league.
The Pirlo behind the wall was laughable.
I agree with most of what you said. TFC is a great model IMHO for how we need to build the roster. They paid for their DPs but alot of their quality depth is because they have the roster flexibility from having 5 homegrowns/1 Generation Adidas. After seeing Sands this preseason, I don't think we are too far away from that though. I like the fact that we are targeting Generation Adidas in the SuperDraft and I wouldn't be surprised if we signed 3-4 more kids off the academy squad in the next 1-2 seasons. It will take some time for them to be major first team contributors but it will give us more $$ to invest in the bottom of the roster in the immediate future. Teams are also expecting 1.2 million more TAM this offseason so that should help as well.
I think we need to be patient because we are still being handcuffed by expansion moves made by Kreis. This season I think we are stuck with what we have. If we continue making the improvements to the roster we have made over the last year and see the fruition of the academy, we are going to be in position to be perennial contender well after we erect Villa's statue.
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This is why yesterday's result didn't really worry me all that much. Toronto was no doubt the better team than us yesterday and deserved to win, but I didn't feel as though we were trounced in this one (final score aside). I think if we get some of our players back healthy (and to be fair, they have their own injuries as well) and can finish a bit better, we're right back in this one.
Think of it this way. Toronto is up 1-0 on an amazing shot by Gio. Then Maxi is played into the box and doesn't pull the trigger quick enough and has the ball tackled away. (I know I really shouldn't play what-ifs, but here we go) If he finishes that, its 1-1.
Then the Gio FK, ridiculous penalty call, blown penalty take, etc. We're right there.
I'm having trouble remembering when we can or can't use stats as part of an argumentEveryone agreed that Pirlo was great offensively but was a defensively liability. I have fought it, aside from the play he missed Gio and Gio had an amazing goal, and said i would come back with the stats after the game so here i am. In Pirlo's 68 minutes, aside from ethan white, Pirlo led the team in tackles. He led the team in recoveries and interceptions which took place all over the field. He was definitely our best defensive player in the midfield last night. Its also tough to win games when you have a defender (cough Brilliant cough) who ended the game with ZERO tackles. thats right ZERO.
ETA: Other players with zero tackles include Sweat, Villa, and Harrison. So not one but 2 defenders that didnt make a single tackle.
Though, to be honest, I thought Pirlo had a decent game (both Gio goals aside - though I agree I won't put those on him).
I'm having trouble remembering when we can or can't use stats as part of an argument
Though, to be honest, I thought Pirlo had a decent game (both Gio goals aside - though I agree I won't put those on him).
Damned if you do damned if you dont lol. i still think stats dont tell the whole story. Ethan White had good stats but i thought he was horrid.
Im not gonna keep going back and forth, i made the point i wanted to make, you either agree with me or you dont. If you dont agree with me thats fine, i still respect your opinion.
Yes, but, if you ignore league analysts, our own analyst, our own coach's lineup decisions, the scorelines when he plays, and your eyes, clearly you'll see he deserves to start......
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