2020 Roster Discussion

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Fantazma

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So what if this is Domes plan all along. Forcing the clubs hand. Can they even afford to let him go?
i think so, he aired the dirty laundry so CFG may not like that so they will find another CFG system assistant to take over.
 
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Does CFG care enough?? I think they are content with us just being competitive. If they wanted to dominate MLS they probably have the ability, but there's no desire IMO.
Yes to this. (I would assume) They want their piece of the earning potential of SUM more than anything else.
 
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So, does our transfer budget come from a master CFG bucket, while our wages budget come from a specific NYCFC bucket? If Coman is a real target, it would be a way to make sense of the high fee and low wage targets.

With current personnel, this would work to get our best players in the lineup. Basically a 4-3-3, but two mids are attacking and the two wingers track back, so presented as a 4-1-4-1:

1 | Heber
4 | Mitrita, Coman, Maxi, Tajouri-Shradi
1 | Ring
4 | Matarrita, Callens, Chanot, Tinnerholm
 
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We’ll see what happens. I was planning a trip for a Friday/Saturday game in April/May, whichever comes first, and this offseason will determine whether or not I go. I just can’t justify spending a lot of money if we lose a coach and have a lot of turnover. I’d prefer to see a win or at the least a competitive match.
 

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Does CFG care enough?? I think they are content with us just being competitive. If they wanted to dominate MLS they probably have the ability, but there's no desire IMO.
Maybe if there are sufficient eyeballs in MLS. Next TV deal is 2023. Right now the meh-ness doesn't as much impact their reputation or Abu Dhabi's
 
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So, does our transfer budget come from a master CFG bucket, while our wages budget come from a specific NYCFC bucket? If Coman is a real target, it would be a way to make sense of the high fee and low wage targets.

With current personnel, this would work to get our best players in the lineup. Basically a 4-3-3, but two mids are attacking and the two wingers track back, so presented as a 4-1-4-1:

1 | Heber
4 | Mitrita, Coman, Maxi, Tajouri-Shradi
1 | Ring
4 | Matarrita, Callens, Chanot, Tinnerholm
you still have Mata at LB?
 
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Kjbert

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it's difficult to imagine any MLS club being able to compete with any club in europe, let alone fairly large ones.

my guess is the MLS club is not us considering we don't even have a head coach now..
CFG does all of our recruiting since Kreis left.
 

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Does CFG care enough?? I think they are content with us just being competitive. If they wanted to dominate MLS they probably have the ability, but there's no desire IMO.
From the end of our six-game winless streak through the rest of the season, NYCFC led MLS in points. This is a disproven trope at this point. CFG put together one of the best rosters in the league this year and we were a dumb play away from being two wins from a trophy. The idea they're not trying to win is complete hogwash.
 

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no but there are some spots to fill. Medina's spot, LB, RB depth. maybe an extra mid
This is basically it, though I think RB depth may be ok, depending on what the staff thinks we have in Scally. Would love him to get minutes similar to what Sweat got this year, or perhaps a little less. I'm not high on Eric Miller, but he could then serve as an emergency in case of injury.
 

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Am I the only one who remembers the widespread consensus from late 2017 until last month that Atlanta United had thoroughly disrupted the way to build an MLS roster, and that a key element of it was to target younger designated players (not necessarily but including official young DPs with the extra benefit of a lower cap hit) and higher ratio of fees to wages than had previously been the norm? Because that was a pretty major topic of discussion around here (and the MLS internet generally), until Dome Torrent -- who never accepted the league's idiosyncrasies and certainly never showed any sign of engaging with the complicated salary rules --complained that NYCFC is only midway in spending in MLS, and for reasons I cannot fathom 90% of NYCFC fans seem to have taken it as gospel. Suddenly the board is awash in explanations of why transfer fees don't show the same commitment as player salaries, or maybe they're budgeted differently, or the club only is hoping to sell for higher value, or whatever. Everyone ignores the received wisdom and simplest explanation -- which is the club copied the Atlanta model. NYCFC started on this route with Medina and continued with Mitrita. Obviously Medina was a bust, and maybe it was because they were cheap and refused to pay a truly high transfer fee or maybe it was just because their scouting failed in this instance.

It also seems that everyone is intent on validating those stupid lists that rank MLS team salaries as a way of measuring club spending. Yes stupid, because they have minimal correlation with out of pocket spending. Just look at Sporting Kansas City. SKC had the 5th highest salary charge this year at $13,013,584. As we know, there are limited ways for MLS clubs to spend their own money on salaries: 3 DP slots and $2.8 million in Discretionary Tam. That's it. SKC had just 2 DPs last year, Gutierrez and Russell. They earned a combined $3.35 million. Subtract the $1.06 million ($530k x 2) covered by the league salary allowance within the maximum Salary Budget of $4.24 million and SKC spent $2.29 million out of pocket for 2 DPs.

Now let's assume SKC spent the max of Discretionary Tam, or $2.8 million. We don't know this and in fact I highly doubt a team with only 2 DPs used its max Discretionary TAM, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Add that $2.8 million to the out-of-pocket DP cost, plus the standard $4.24 million salary only gets us to $9.33 million, leaving a gap of $3,683,584 to reach SKC's salary total of more than $13 million. Where did the rest come from? It had to be regular GAM and TAM because those are the only options. That's a lot (I think, who the hell really knows), and I give full credit to SKC for managing to accumulate so much. We know they basically robbed Orlando when they traded Dom Dwyer. There must have been a few more deals like that too. But SKC's ownership cannot get credit for spending that $3.6 million because SKC's owners did not spend it. It's all Garber bucks that come out of the league's general fund. And it might even be more than $3.6 million if SKC did not spend the maximum Discretionary TAM. At $3.6 million alone, it represents more than 40% of the amount over standard budget that people are counting to demonstrate that SKC is high spending and NYC is mid table. That's nowhere near de minimis. In fact it is more than the difference between SKC's spending at #5 and NYCFC at #14. That's big enough to make it clear that the team salary rankings are useless for measuring out of pocket spending unless you do this analysis for every team and then it's still useless unless you know who spent what on discretionary TAM.

And that's why Dome's complaint about NYCFC's spending being mid-table is obviously ridiculous. If a list with SKC as a top 5 spender doesn't set off your BS detector then you've turned it off. Which leaves the only remaining argument being that Dome mastered these rules, looked up the data we don't have, worked the spreadsheets, and compared NYCFC to the rest of the league on actual OOP spending using the non-public data. I guess you could believe that.
 
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