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Keith Putnam

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At what point does this rise above simply FFP and enter the spectrum of money laundering and fraud? That third-Party deal for the players’ imaging rights is pretty dicey.
We're probably there already but so far there doesn't seem to be any government-based prosecutorial interest so, shruggy.com.
 

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FFP is bullshit in the first place it's just designed to protect the traditional powers like United and Real and Barca. I'd either like to see an actual salary cap of some short that effects everyone's spending or just complete laissez faire
 

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Well this is a point of view ...


Back in the bad days of Lampardgate I remember lots of "hissyfit" type remarks but I don't remember anyone saying we should have let them have Villa, too.
Give them David Villa? That is just beyond stupid. If CFG announced Villa AND Lampard for NYCFC then they spent time in Manchester rather than NYCFC, I think the entire team would have crumbled due to the media and fan blowout.
 

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City come back from 2-0 down in the FA Cup match v. Swansea via an amazing strike from Bernardo Silva, a penalty won by a dive from Sterling that Agüero struck off the post and which wouldn't have gone in except for being deflected back into goal by hitting the keeper, and an offside header by Agüero.

The moral? City are destined to win the FA Cup, and therefore the quadruple.
 

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City come back from 2-0 down in the FA Cup match v. Swansea via an amazing strike from Bernardo Silva, a penalty won by a dive from Sterling that Agüero struck off the post and which wouldn't have gone in except for being deflected back into goal by hitting the keeper, and an offside header by Agüero.

The moral? City are destined to win the FA Cup, and therefore the quadruple.
CCV was so, so good. Absolute class defending by him.

And 3G calls up Omar. God help us.

And yeah, what a handout of a win. Marriner is that kind of guy.
 

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CCV was so, so good. Absolute class defending by him.

And 3G calls up Omar. God help us.

And yeah, what a handout of a win. Marriner is that kind of guy.
I haven't done much reading into the consensus on the penalty, but I'm surprised that there wasn't more of the "he got the ball but didn't change its direction therefore Sterling would have gotten to it if CCV didn't take him down" perspective. Which was my own.

3rd goal def offside tho.
 
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UEFA's probably toothless, in the end, threat to ban City from the UCL goes on.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/sports/manchester-city-champions-league-uefa.html

An investigation into accusations that Premier League champion Manchester City misled European soccer’s financial regulators in pursuit of its success on the field is expected to recommend that the team be barred from the Champions League, European soccer’s richest competition and the trophy the club covets most.

The investigatory panel’s leader, the former prime minister of Belgium Yves Leterme, will have the final say on the submission to a separate adjudicatory chamber, which could be filed as soon as this week.​

That bold italic bit is wherein lies the rub. UEFA has the opportunity here to say "our legitimate and thorough investigative process found potential wrongdoing, but the adjudicators disagreed", and successfully appear to be policing crimes of which they themselves are a part.
 

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UEFA's probably toothless, in the end, threat to ban City from the UCL goes on.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/sports/manchester-city-champions-league-uefa.html

An investigation into accusations that Premier League champion Manchester City misled European soccer’s financial regulators in pursuit of its success on the field is expected to recommend that the team be barred from the Champions League, European soccer’s richest competition and the trophy the club covets most.

The investigatory panel’s leader, the former prime minister of Belgium Yves Leterme, will have the final say on the submission to a separate adjudicatory chamber, which could be filed as soon as this week.​

That bold italic bit is wherein lies the rub. UEFA has the opportunity here to say "our legitimate and thorough investigative process found potential wrongdoing, but the adjudicators disagreed", and successfully appear to be policing crimes of which they themselves are a part.
the day UEFA bans a Man City/ PSG or some big spending team like that, the faster the breakaway superleague will happen
 

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It's probably the American in me (the fact we don't do it at the pro level only college) but I hate the idea of points deductions or tournament bans etc. I'm fine with fines and maybe transfer bans. I don't love teams being able to buy success the way they can in European football but I don't think financial fair play actually addresses this. It just shifts the balance of power back to the traditional huge clubs that have built up global followings and finances over time. The only true fair balancing of things would be an actual salary cap.
 

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It's probably the American in me (the fact we don't do it at the pro level only college) but I hate the idea of points deductions or tournament bans etc. I'm fine with fines and maybe transfer bans. I don't love teams being able to buy success the way they can in European football but I don't think financial fair play actually addresses this. It just shifts the balance of power back to the traditional huge clubs that have built up global followings and finances over time. The only true fair balancing of things would be an actual salary cap.
FFP is just a mechanism for the old guard to compete with the new guard as they don't want to want to spend the billions of cash reserves the new guard owners have. If you can sustain losses due to other profitable business holdings (oil, etc.) then why should UEFA stop you?
 
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FFP is just a mechanism for the old guard to compete with the new guard as they don't want to want to spend the billions of cash reserves the new guard owners have. If you can sustain losses due to other profitable business holdings (oil, etc.) then why should UEFA stop you?
No, it’s a mechanism to have some level of fair playing field where teams perform within their means, not suckling at the proverbial teat of another industry.
 

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No, it’s a mechanism to have some level of fair playing field where teams perform within their means, not suckling at the proverbial teat of another industry.
Then institute a salary cap or luxury tax.
 
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Then institute a salary cap or luxury tax.
That’s not possible across a myriad of leagues in different countries all with different economies and laws. FFP allows the playing field to be set within the self-sustaining mechanisms that a club produces.
 

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No, it’s a mechanism to have some level of fair playing field where teams perform within their means, not suckling at the proverbial teat of another industry.
That’s not possible across a myriad of leagues in different countries all with different economies and laws. FFP allows the playing field to be set within the self-sustaining mechanisms that a club produces.
Then what lion said is correct. FFP is flawed from a competitive standpoint. Sure, it puts a barrier against mega oil money coming in or piling debt for players, but it ruins the integrity of the game by essentially forcing a different budget for different teams playing in the same competition, and by different, I mean the established mega clubs can spend way more than everyone else in perpetuity.