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Where Do You Want The Stadium?

  • Manhattan

    Votes: 54 18.5%
  • Queens

    Votes: 82 28.1%
  • Brooklyn

    Votes: 14 4.8%
  • Staten Island

    Votes: 6 2.1%
  • Westchester

    Votes: 18 6.2%
  • The Bronx

    Votes: 105 36.0%
  • Long Island

    Votes: 5 1.7%
  • Dual-Boroughs

    Votes: 3 1.0%
  • Etihad Island

    Votes: 5 1.7%

  • Total voters
    292

Christopher Jee

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So can we sue the Gap for not allowing other stores to sell their merchandise?
Interesting counter example. But the Gap is not an apparel sponsor that is restricting where gear for the entity they are sponsoring may be sold.

Nike could choose to only have Nike gear sold at Nike outlets, but restricting the sales outlets of the gear they make for a 3rd party seems different.

I'm not very informed about legal matters but this difference feels relevant.
 
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I wish Poland Springs would be more like Nike. I'm tired of the water auctioneers every ten feet.
 
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I wish Poland Springs would be more like Nike. I'm tired of the water auctioneers every ten feet.
I know we are to expect the unexpected in this thread...

but an attack on the dudes selling water surprised me. I love getting two ice cold water bottles with the sports cap before hot summer games. Best way to keep the kids hydrated when sitting in the sun on game day. Especially with prices what they are in the stadium.
 

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Geez. Wasn't attacking anyone, but I guess you are all better people than me if hearing water one dollars one dollar one dollar water water one dollar all the way to the stadium doesn't get annoying.
 

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Geez. Wasn't attacking anyone, but I guess you are all better people than me if hearing water one dollars one dollar one dollar water water one dollar all the way to the stadium doesn't get annoying.
It was completely a light-hearted comment. Don’t take it to heart.
 

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Interesting counter example. But the Gap is not an apparel sponsor that is restricting where gear for the entity they are sponsoring may be sold.

Nike could choose to only have Nike gear sold at Nike outlets, but restricting the sales outlets of the gear they make for a 3rd party seems different.

I'm not very informed about legal matters but this difference feels relevant.
Many, many, many products are only sold (legally) through authorized dealers. Cars are an obvious example. Paul Mitchell only sells haircare products through authorized salons. Apple products of all kinds. Many cosmetics/skin care products. Rolex (and most luxury brand) watches. High-end handbags. Only Home Depot sells Behr paint. The list goes on and on.

A complete dick move by Nike (and this only benefits the Yankees/teams, so even if they are not doing it themselves, they are complicit), but nothing even vaguely approaching illegal.
 

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Many, many, many products are only sold (legally) through authorized dealers. Cars are an obvious example. Paul Mitchell only sells haircare products through authorized salons. Apple products of all kinds. Many cosmetics/skin care products. Rolex (and most luxury brand) watches. High-end handbags. Only Home Depot sells Behr paint. The list goes on and on.

A complete dick move by Nike (and this only benefits the Yankees/teams, so even if they are not doing it themselves, they are complicit), but nothing even vaguely approaching illegal.
Good examples. There's something to the geographically-bound nature of sports teams and the ramifications of this move on locals (who have already been stiffed, seemingly) that makes it feel worse, but you've convinced me of its legality.
 

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My wife is a teacher. Her former school was the anchor building for a community redevelopment. It ended up turning into gentrification but the school was a big part of the redevelopment and was the first building completed to satisfy the community.
 

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Did this back in 2018. Too lazy on a Sunday morning to look back in the thread for the original post.

I forget -- is there a reason they can't build the stadium on the baseball fields and use the GAL site (and surroundings) to replace the ball fields? It would seem a lot easier to engineer ball fields on platforms than a stadium.
 

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https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/new-york-city-fc/nycfc-stadium-bronx-public-meeting-on-frame-podcast/#
It was May 22, 2013, when Ferran Soriano, the chief executive officer of the Manchester City Football Club, said Man City’s new sister club, New York City FC, would have to play in a temporary home for “two or three years.”
More than four-and-a-half years after the expansion side kicked off, Yankee Stadium is still the temporary housing for Major League Soccer’s 2oth franchise.

But there may now be a glimmer of hope for NYCFC and its supporters.

Pro Soccer USA’s Glenn Crooks attended a recent public planning meeting in the South Bronx with a focus on the feasibility of a soccer-specific stadium just a few blocks from Yankee Stadium, at a location that would utilize the same subway stop.

In this episode of On Frame, Chris Campbell who broke the news of the meeting for NYCFC-centric website The Outfield, offers an explanation for the meeting.

“I think what that [meeting] demonstrated is the community board and leadership not only sponsored this to happen, but they did so with the direction of how does the stadium fit in here,” Campbell said. “So, I think it shows that they are very interested in bringing a stadium to the area otherwise they wouldn’t have this.”

On the panel of technical advisors at the meeting was Neil MacOmish of Scott BrownRigg, whose expertise lies with sports stadiums and civic architecture in his native United Kingdom. MacOmish thinks the prospects for a soccer stadium at 153rd Street and River Avenue are promising.
“Absolutley,” MacOmish said after the meeting. “I’ve seen it all over Europe, all over the world. The soccer stadium could be an enabler. It’s a really good idea born out of the community, and I think it would be a terrific thing for this community.”

Crooks also speaks with Dr. Rick Eckstein, PhD and professor of sociology at Villanova University and an expert in sports and society including stadium financing. He is the co-author of a book entitled, “Public Dollars, Private Stadium.”

Eckstein has closely monitored the development of the Philadelphia Union’s home, Talen Energy Stadium in Chester, Pa., where he is a taxpayer.
“That stadium was part of a 450 million dollar development project,” Eckstein said. “Roughly 140 million was used to build the stadium and the other 300 million for development never came. It’s been 10 years. They had lovely pictures on their web site.”

There were graphs and examples for community growth and development at the public planning meeting in the South Bronx.

“There were a lot of different items that were discussed. A lot of it seemed to be activating the waterfront,” Campbell said. “That is, redeveloping the area there to be able to allow local residents the ability to get back to the Harlem River and enjoy the parks and other developments that are happening there.”

Eckstein is skeptical that the proposed New York City FC stadium will be any different.

“That’s exactly the terminology that was used in Chester,” Eckstein said. “They were going to activate the waterfront and turn it into a tourist attraction. Of course, that hasn’t come close to happening.”

“It’s just not going to materialize because it never has [across the country]. I guess sometime there will have to be a first ,but it just hasn’t happened yet.”
 

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https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/new-york-city-fc/nycfc-stadium-bronx-public-meeting-on-frame-podcast/#
It was May 22, 2013, when Ferran Soriano, the chief executive officer of the Manchester City Football Club, said Man City’s new sister club, New York City FC, would have to play in a temporary home for “two or three years.”
More than four-and-a-half years after the expansion side kicked off, Yankee Stadium is still the temporary housing for Major League Soccer’s 2oth franchise.

But there may now be a glimmer of hope for NYCFC and its supporters.

Pro Soccer USA’s Glenn Crooks attended a recent public planning meeting in the South Bronx with a focus on the feasibility of a soccer-specific stadium just a few blocks from Yankee Stadium, at a location that would utilize the same subway stop.

In this episode of On Frame, Chris Campbell who broke the news of the meeting for NYCFC-centric website The Outfield, offers an explanation for the meeting.

“I think what that [meeting] demonstrated is the community board and leadership not only sponsored this to happen, but they did so with the direction of how does the stadium fit in here,” Campbell said. “So, I think it shows that they are very interested in bringing a stadium to the area otherwise they wouldn’t have this.”

On the panel of technical advisors at the meeting was Neil MacOmish of Scott BrownRigg, whose expertise lies with sports stadiums and civic architecture in his native United Kingdom. MacOmish thinks the prospects for a soccer stadium at 153rd Street and River Avenue are promising.
“Absolutley,” MacOmish said after the meeting. “I’ve seen it all over Europe, all over the world. The soccer stadium could be an enabler. It’s a really good idea born out of the community, and I think it would be a terrific thing for this community.”

Crooks also speaks with Dr. Rick Eckstein, PhD and professor of sociology at Villanova University and an expert in sports and society including stadium financing. He is the co-author of a book entitled, “Public Dollars, Private Stadium.”

Eckstein has closely monitored the development of the Philadelphia Union’s home, Talen Energy Stadium in Chester, Pa., where he is a taxpayer.
“That stadium was part of a 450 million dollar development project,” Eckstein said. “Roughly 140 million was used to build the stadium and the other 300 million for development never came. It’s been 10 years. They had lovely pictures on their web site.”

There were graphs and examples for community growth and development at the public planning meeting in the South Bronx.

“There were a lot of different items that were discussed. A lot of it seemed to be activating the waterfront,” Campbell said. “That is, redeveloping the area there to be able to allow local residents the ability to get back to the Harlem River and enjoy the parks and other developments that are happening there.”

Eckstein is skeptical that the proposed New York City FC stadium will be any different.

“That’s exactly the terminology that was used in Chester,” Eckstein said. “They were going to activate the waterfront and turn it into a tourist attraction. Of course, that hasn’t come close to happening.”

“It’s just not going to materialize because it never has [across the country]. I guess sometime there will have to be a first ,but it just hasn’t happened yet.”
There's a huge difference in the wealth of the Union ownership and NYCFC ownership. Eckstein is going to be wrong.
 

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There's a huge difference in the wealth of the Union ownership and NYCFC ownership. Eckstein is going to be wrong.
I agree that there's a huge difference in the projects that needs to be considered. The Bronx is more and more to the fore of the NYC landscape in a way that Queens did in the last 10-15 years (and continues to this day), and doesn't need to be "built up" using a stadium to get people to move there and to get businesses in the way that Chester needed it.