Stadium Discussion

[Gotham Gator]

There's a huge difference in the wealth of the Union ownership and NYCFC ownership. Eckstein is going to be wrong.

Also a huge difference between Chester, PA and the area around Yankee Stadium and the proposed NYCFC stadium. Pretty easy to slot in improvements in that Bronx neighborhood to really upgrade things for residents. Chester, PA on the other hand needed (and still needs) a complete overhaul.

 

[COLINMOUTH]

Also a huge difference between Chester, PA and the area around Yankee Stadium and the proposed NYCFC stadium. Pretty easy to slot in improvements in that Bronx neighborhood to really upgrade things for residents. Chester, PA on the other hand needed (and still needs) a complete overhaul.

Exactly.

 

[The Toe]

So Ballot Question 5 today is very relevant.


Ballot Question #5: Land Use

This proposal would amend the City Charter to:

For projects subject to the Uniform Land Use Review Procedure (ULURP), require the Department of City Planning (DCP) to transmit a detailed project summary to the affected Borough President, Borough Board, and Community Board at least 30 days before the application is certified for public review, and to post that summary on its website; and
Provide Community Boards with additional time to review ULURP applications certified for public review by DCP between June 1 and July 15, from the current 60-day review period to 90 days for applications certified in June, and to 75 days for applications certified between July 1 and July 15.

 

[LionNYC]

So Ballot Question 5 today is very relevant.


Ballot Question #5: Land Use

This proposal would amend the City Charter to:

For projects subject to the Uniform Land Use Review Procedure (ULURP), require the Department of City Planning (DCP) to transmit a detailed project summary to the affected Borough President, Borough Board, and Community Board at least 30 days before the application is certified for public review, and to post that summary on its website; and
Provide Community Boards with additional time to review ULURP applications certified for public review by DCP between June 1 and July 15, from the current 60-day review period to 90 days for applications certified in June, and to 75 days for applications certified between July 1 and July 15.

So, vote no? So community boards have less time to review?

 

[Kjbert]

I had Rick Eckstein as a professor. Fuck him is all I will say.

 

[Brooklyn Blue]

So, vote no? So community boards have less time to review?

Many community boards take a recess during summer months. This provision allows for an extension to the review time to account for that.

Community boards do not need to take a summer vacation. There is also no need for an extra 30 days of preview prior to certification and the current 60 day review period. This proposal would only further delay a portion of the ULURP process that is already more advisory than substantive.

 

[gbservis]

Also a huge difference between Chester, PA and the area around Yankee Stadium and the proposed NYCFC stadium. Pretty easy to slot in improvements in that Bronx neighborhood to really upgrade things for residents. Chester, PA on the other hand needed (and still needs) a complete overhaul.

I agree, RBA is a much more accurate comparison to Chester than the area around Yankee stadium. Both RBA and the Philly stadium were built in desolate areas with minimal infrastructure and no (philly) or limited (RBA) public transit with the goal being that the stadium would the initial catalyst for revitalization of the area. They also share a similar secondary goal of specifically picking the location to expand the fan base to areas outside of the city they are associated with. RBA is there to help pull from northern Jersey and though they no longer talk about it one of the factors in choosing the Chester location was that philly thought they could pull from both philly and Wilmington/northern Delaware. Come to think of it you could lump the Chicago Fire stadium in bridgeview in there too for all the same reasons. All three stadiums were placed in areas difficult to access from the main city center with central goals of attracting additional fans and acting as preliminary anchor points for revitalization. They also only built a stadium at all three locations where as the plans show far more for the NYCFC stadium.

The Chicago, Philly and RBA stadiums were essentially planting a tree in a vacant lot and hoping a bunch of other stuff would magically grow around them. Right from the start area around Yankee stadium is leaps and bounds ahead of those locations. The NYCFC stadium is just a part of a larger plan to improve the area. It's just a lazy comparison.

 

[Jon]

If you aren't a subscriber or missed it, Crooks was on United States of Soccer with Jason Davis to talk about #DomeOut. At the end of the interview Jason asked him about the community meeting last week. Crooks said something like "There's something out there, in the air, without confirmation that there could be a stadium announcement by Christmas." Then he says "NYCFC might bat me over the head for saying that."

Take it for what it's worth but he's as close to the organization as anyone.

Again, probably nothing to it, but...

 

[JayH]

If you aren't a subscriber or missed it, Crooks was on United States of Soccer with Jason Davis to talk about #DomeOut. At the end of the interview Jason asked him about the community meeting last week. Crooks said something like "There's something out there, in the air, without confirmation that there could be a stadium announcement by Christmas." Then he says "NYCFC might bat me over the head for saying that."

Take it for what it's worth but he's as close to the organization as anyone.

Again, probably nothing to it, but...

Given what we know and what we believe still needs to be accomplished, is it even possible for them to make an “it’s done” announcement? Wouldn’t it be more of a “here’s where we are in the process” announcement? What are the missing pieces we don’t already know? Maybe details of a more definitive deal subject to approvals, more flavor on the plans and build team, further detail of the plans, a better timeline?

 

[sbrylski]

Given what we know and what we believe still needs to be accomplished, is it even possible for them to make an “it’s done” announcement? Wouldn’t it be more of a “here’s where we are in the process” announcement? What are the missing pieces we don’t already know? Maybe details of a more definitive deal subject to approvals, more flavor on the plans and build team, further detail of the plans, a better timeline?

Summarizing the last 20+ pages, it looks like they are on the brink of a ~1 year public review process in which their proposal will necessarily be made available anyway. If they want to frame the proposal in their terms, they pretty much have to make an announcement of their plan in the next few months. There's no elections coming up so there's nothing to wait for politically, and the community board is primed (whether through their own initiative or through behind the scenes prodding). It's pretty much now or essentially never.

Approval of that plan is probably between 1-2 years away, as I understand it. Hence the rumored 2024 targeted date of opening.

 

[CP_Scouse]

Amyone ever listen to the Stooges? Good band they are
Also
#StadiumNow

 

[The Toe]

Stadium announcement meaning "Hey, we're putting forth a proposal for the 153rd Street site. Here's how we arrived at this decision, the man hours put in, the other sites we looked at, the designs we came up with, etc., since it's all going to be out in the open soon anyways." There's a very good chance the EIS is already complete.

 

[Kjbert]

Stadium announcement meaning "Hey, we're putting forth a proposal for the 153rd Street site. Here's how we arrived at this decision, the man hours put in, the other sites we looked at, the designs we came up with, etc., since it's all going to be out in the open soon anyways." There's a very good chance the EIS is already complete.

This is exactly what I am asking for

 

[ZYanksRule]

Given what we know and what we believe still needs to be accomplished, is it even possible for them to make an “it’s done” announcement? Wouldn’t it be more of a “here’s where we are in the process” announcement? What are the missing pieces we don’t already know? Maybe details of a more definitive deal subject to approvals, more flavor on the plans and build team, further detail of the plans, a better timeline?

The Islanders announced Belmont in December of 2017, then didn't hold the groundbreaking until this past September. So I'd say if they get the bid to do it, that's good enough to hold the announcement. Then they go through the approval process before starting to actually build the thing.

 

[sbrylski]

Stadium announcement meaning "Hey, we're putting forth a proposal for the 153rd Street site. Here's how we arrived at this decision, the man hours put in, the other sites we looked at, the designs we came up with, etc., since it's all going to be out in the open soon anyways." There's a very good chance the EIS is already complete.

Oh could they have been doing the EIS already? I thought that would be done in parallel with ULURP? Or can they be doing that privately whenever they want?

If true, it would be disappointing if (but probably likely that) it's not done already.

 

[The Toe]

Oh could they have been doing the EIS already? I thought that would be done in parallel with ULURP? Or can they be doing that privately whenever they want?

If true, it would be disappointing if (but probably likely that) it's not done already.

It has to be done before ULURP.

 

[Kenny]

The EIS has not been started. ULURP can get going once the Draft EIS is relseased.

 

[sundance]

The EIS has not been started. ULURP can get going once the Draft EIS is relseased.

Citation, for the rest of us:

“Publication of the [draft EIS] and issuance of the Notice of Completion signal the start of the formal public review process. Assuming complete ULURP applications, actions subject to ULURP may now be certified and referred to the affected community board(s) and borough president(s) for their review and recommendations.”

Environmental Review Process - DCP

Share Print Environmental Review Process Most discretionary land use actions considered by the City Planning Commission (CPC) are subject to the City Environmental Quality Review (CEQR) process. Pursuant to state and local law, CEQR identifies any potential adverse environmental effects of...

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[LionNYC]

"A lot has happened in New York that has made it more difficult..."

Yeah, de Blasio was elected...twice.

 

[Buckley]

Saw something about a possible announcement before Christmas on twitter yesterday. Can’t find it though.