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Would be pissed off if I was Atlanta. Is that the second South American guy they've now missed out on this winter?

I'm still not super concerned about it. Would like to see the stats on these guys staying over there. I also think Oba barely played last year. I'm sur ehe's happy to cash those paychecks but China is not the US.
 
Ulrich said:
I read that entire page and nowhere did they say how they chose the "O" for Oxt.
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There's a fucking meaning for next. If people can't be bothered to observe it, not my fucking problem. I read that whole page, and only determined that Oxt was way more confusing than next.

Next: on the first or soonest occasion after the present; immediately afterward.
 
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Midas Mulligan said:
Wrong. MLS is working, exactly because it isn't communism. It's the fiercest brand of capitalism possible.
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It may not be communism at MLS, but it is certainly not the fiercest capitalism possible. You want the fiercest brand possible, bro? Then untie clubs hands and let them spend whatever they want. And let the poor and financially weak players be squeezed/priced out. No one is smart enough to figure out what the optimum amount a club should spend nor how and where the best clubs should be operated...let the free market sort it out!
 
Midas Mulligan said:
There's a fucking meaning for next. If people can't be bothered to observe it, not my fucking problem. I read that whole page, and only determined that Oxt was way more confusing than next.

Next: on the first or soonest occasion after the present; immediately afterward.
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The problem is that we speak English as opposed to a language that might make more sense.

Case in point:
Take this right (i.e., make a right turn now)
Take the next right (not this one, the next one).

No matter what "next" means in a literal sense, we don't use the word that way, at least in a large number of circumstances. Alas.
 
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NYdoesitEZ said:
It may not be communism at MLS, but it is certainly not the fiercest capitalism possible. You want the fiercest brand possible, bro? Then untie clubs hands and let them spend whatever they want. And let the poor and financially weak players be squeezed/priced out. No one is smart enough to figure out what the optimum amount a club should spend nor how and where the best clubs should be operated...let the free market sort it out!
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Like the NASL?
 
NYdoesitEZ said:
It may not be communism at MLS, but it is certainly not the fiercest capitalism possible. You want the fiercest brand possible, bro? Then untie clubs hands and let them spend whatever they want. And let the poor and financially weak players be squeezed/priced out. No one is smart enough to figure out what the optimum amount a club should spend nor how and where the best clubs should be operated...let the free market sort it out!
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It is absolute unregulated, anarchist capitalism because they are operating as a cartel/trust to keep their costs down. That is the reason for the single entity structure, anti-trust exemptions, etc. If it weren't sports, it would be illegal.

I just get frustrated with people saying MLS is socialist or something similar. Maybe one can see it that way on an individual team basis, but I think that's only because they aren't thinking about the fact that each club is actually only an operating division of the whole.
 
Midas Mulligan said:
It is absolute unregulated, anarchist capitalism because they are operating as a cartel/trust to keep their costs down. That is the reason for the single entity structure, anti-trust exemptions, etc. If it weren't sports, it would be illegal.

I just get frustrated with people saying MLS is socialist or something similar. Maybe one can see it that way on an individual team basis, but I think that's only because they aren't thinking about the fact that each club is actually only an operating division of the whole.
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I think that has only worked so far because we have been at a level where there is not as much global competition for the talent we would like. It works for NFL, MLB, NHL etc, because there are no other buyers for the players in the world. That doesn't apply in soccer. If you want to keep the league right where it is now, and you are happy with the talent level you are at, then single entity works. If you want to compete even for these lower-mid level guys, your plan to reduce competition among MLS clubs works against you, because it doesn't allow you the freedom to compete against Chinese clubs, Mexican clubs, Portugese clubs, etc. who are in the next echelon of leagues.

Players that have legitimate options aren't going to put up with the kind of crap players have to put up with to come to MLS. (Weird loan rules, no charter flights, ability to be traded etc)
 
Midas Mulligan said:
It is absolute unregulated, anarchist capitalism because they are operating as a cartel/trust to keep their costs down. That is the reason for the single entity structure, anti-trust exemptions, etc. If it weren't sports, it would be illegal.

I just get frustrated with people saying MLS is socialist or something similar. Maybe one can see it that way on an individual team basis, but I think that's only because they aren't thinking about the fact that each club is actually only an operating division of the whole.
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Danny Szetela signed with SF Deltas of the NASL. No clue if they'll even have a season but he's off the board. Totally fine with that
 
Midas Mulligan said:
It is absolute unregulated, anarchist capitalism because they are operating as a cartel/trust to keep their costs down. That is the reason for the single entity structure, anti-trust exemptions, etc. If it weren't sports, it would be illegal.

I just get frustrated with people saying MLS is socialist or something similar. Maybe one can see it that way on an individual team basis, but I think that's only because they aren't thinking about the fact that each club is actually only an operating division of the whole.
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that's a good point you made...making me think more
But isn't this like a company that competes in a totally free market and acts fiercely competitive in the free market, but its internal cultural/process/operation is very opaque and arbitrary-rule based? Not sure what conclusion this leads to...got to think more on this...glad to have someone like you on this board.
 
Tom in Fairfield CT said:
I think that has only worked so far because we have been at a level where there is not as much global competition for the talent we would like. It works for NFL, MLB, NHL etc, because there are no other buyers for the players in the world. That doesn't apply in soccer. If you want to keep the league right where it is now, and you are happy with the talent level you are at, then single entity works. If you want to compete even for these lower-mid level guys, your plan to reduce competition among MLS clubs works against you, because it doesn't allow you the freedom to compete against Chinese clubs, Mexican clubs, Portugese clubs, etc. who are in the next echelon of leagues.

Players that have legitimate options aren't going to put up with the kind of crap players have to put up with to come to MLS. (Weird loan rules, no charter flights, ability to be traded etc)
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can't agree more. I said something similar in another thread but you said it the best
 
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