Domènec Torrent Appointed NYCFC Head Coach (June '18) / Mutually Agree to Part Ways (November '19)

What Are Your Thoughts on Torrent as NYCFC Head Coach?

  • Quite Really Pleased

    Votes: 8 20.5%

  • Really Pleased

    Votes: 13 33.3%

  • Pleased

    Votes: 16 41.0%

  • Neither Pleased or Displeased

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Displeased

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Really Displeased

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Quite Really Displeased

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Total voters
    39
Gotham Gator said:
No, he's right. MLS is a feeder league for bigger jobs, and that's just as true for managers who have done well as it is for players who have done well.
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No. The reason to hire ambitious talent knowing they will leave on their schedule is to accomplish something while they are here. The Galaxy and ATLUTD did that (and ATL has yet to have anyone leave with time left on the contract). Red Bulls never won anything major but Marsch left on management's terms (which is it's own set of concerns but of a different sort which we frankly share). NYCFC had one guy quit midseason after a stalled improvement and no titles won. I'm not counting Torrent until it's official but we're discussing as if it's a given. I know that if he left for a national team job at the end of his contract and after winning a title I'd look at the situation, the club, and him much more positively and without rancor. I can't imagine that isn't true of most.
So yes, losing ambitious coaches who show talent is universal to any MLS club who hires them. The question is do you do that well or not and comparing NYCFC to the Galaxy or Atlanta in that respect is absurd.
 
no dome for CCL and 2020 season is going to suck. team chemistry and morale is going to take a hit. having the right coach to motivate and inspire players means a lot.

how frustrating that we're losing coaches left and right, can't get a stadium built, and a front office that continues with the smoke and mirrors... sigh.
 
mgarbowski said:
No. The reason to hire ambitious talent knowing they will leave on their schedule is to accomplish something while they are here. The Galaxy and ATLUTD did that (and ATL has yet to have anyone leave with time left on the contract). Red Bulls never won anything major but Marsch left on management's terms (which is it's own set of concerns but of a different sort which we frankly share). NYCFC had one guy quit midseason after a stalled improvement and no titles won. I'm not counting Torrent until it's official but we're discussing as if it's a given. I know that if he left for a national team job at the end of his contract and after winning a title I'd look at the situation, the club, and him much more positively and without rancor. I can't imagine that isn't true of most.
So yes, losing ambitious coaches who show talent is universal to any MLS club who hires them. The question is do you do that well or not and comparing NYCFC to the Galaxy or Atlanta in that respect is absurd.
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I think we are kind of debating different things. The original post was claiming that we aren't a "big club" because we let our manager walk. The rebuttal was that the situation is not about us - it's a sign of where MLS is as a league. I think that's true notwithstanding that our managers left without winning any trophies. Vieira was still deemed to have done well enough that he was ready for a job in Europe. I don't think it reflects poorly on us that we hire coaches that will be in demand if they do well here.
 
mgarbowski said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1191756085092376576

Crooks says there were multiple stories during the season that had him anticipating that Torrent would leave.
None of which were reported as such at the time.
When the only full time paid reporter covering the team is a sort of de facto club employee dependent on the team for his radio gig and access....
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Huh? Or maybe he heard various stories over the course of the season that raised red flags, but wouldn't be enough to justify a story at the time. Seems weird to try and dunk on the one guy working to report on this team just because he didn't report that Dome wanted out on the first hunch he got.
 
ManhattanValley said:
Huh? Or maybe he heard various stories over the course of the season that raised red flags, but wouldn't be enough to justify a story at the time. Seems weird to try and dunk on the one guy working to report on this team just because he didn't report that Dome wanted out on the first hunch he got.
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You're not wrong, but he constantly toes the company line at the risk of straining his credibility.
 
Claudio and Dome share the same structural concerns about NYCFC.
One lives here. One doesn’t. There’s your difference.

As far as us losing coaches...raise your hand if you would keep an MLS job over a European Top Flight job. You’re lying if you said you would stay in mls.

The Dome situation is different than Patrick. Patrick left for a better job. So did Tata. He could have extended his contract. He didn’t.
 
So after Domé airing out the dirty laundry, and if he does leave after the fact. FO is just proving that he was in fact correct on everything he said. That doesn’t look good from a fan’s POV if you ask me. The coach who improved the team, took them to the top of the East, and a club record in points wants to improve further and has aired out how he wants to improve further and how that is kind of met with resistance and no sense of urgency is going to walk after all of this. Doesn’t make you feel good as a fan. CFG really needs to clear the air as to what’s going on. They’ve been so shit with the transparency.
 
Gotham Gator said:
Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems that most of Dome's issues are with the league, not the Club.
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He has expressed dissatisfaction with both but I think you're right that in general he's had more league specific complaints than club. Off the top of my head I can recall Dome has at times complained about:

MLS Issues
1. Wonky Roster Rules/Salary Cap
2. Extensive travel
3. Playing over international breaks
4. Best of one playoff format
5. Lack of Charter flights

NYCFC/CFG specific gripes
1. Smaller budget than other teams in the league
2. Long timeline to sign Heber

Kjbert said:
You’re not wrong. But certain people want to blame that on the Club
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I'm not really sure that's entirely fair. The way you phrase it implies people are just grumpy if they want more from the club. I think people take the MLS issues as a constraint outside of the teams control that is easier to accept something you just have to live with and discussed less often. Dome's issues with the club particularly with the budget in most people's minds can be addressed easily if CFG chose to expand the budget.
 
gbservis said:
He has expressed dissatisfaction with both but I think you're right that in general he's had more league specific complaints than club. Off the top of my head I can recall Dome has at times complained about:

MLS Issues
1. Wonky Roster Rules/Salary Cap
2. Extensive travel
3. Playing over international breaks
4. Best of one playoff format
5. Lack of Charter flights

NYCFC/CFG specific gripes
1. Smaller budget than other teams in the league
2. Long timeline to sign Heber



I'm not really sure that's entirely fair. The way you phrase it implies people are just grumpy if they want more from the club. I think people take the MLS issues as a constraint outside of the teams control that is easier to accept something you just have to live with and discussed less often. Dome's issues with the club particularly with the budget in most people's minds can be addressed easily if CFG chose to expand the budget.
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How do we have a smaller budget than other teams? This still makes no sense
 
Kjbert said:
How do we have a smaller budget than other teams? This still makes no sense
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I didn't say we had a smaller budget but Dome did complain about the budget so I listed it. As has already been discussed if you look at salary only we have a lower spend than than the other big clubs. Add in transfer fees particularly the high fee we paid for Mitri and you can argue our spending is on par with the other top tier clubs but I don't think it's that simple. When you are discussing commitment/ambition from ownership you can't just sum salaries plus transfer fees and claim all spend is equal. Paying a big transfer sum and then a low salary for a 23 year old like Mitri that your scouting network thinks has a bunch of upside is an investment in the team but it's also a lottery ticket and if you really want to be cynical it's more about expanding the lottery tickets in all of the CFG as opposed to being a direct investment in NYCFC. If things work out you're getting some of that cost back when he's sold or maybe even making money. Paying a 30 year old like Vela $5M or whatever it would cost to get someone like Silva is a sunk cost that's a direct investment in the team with no option to recoup costs and no possible future upside CFG as a whole. From Dome's perspective it's likely even more skewed. A manager wants to win now he's always going to want the team to spend a large salary on a 30-32 year old proven high level player as opposed to roll of the dice young player regardless of how high the odds of success are. The total dollars can match up but you can't just strip out the context and go see it's all the same as other teams.
 
dummyrun said:
If he didn't the club would stop giving him access and we'd be left with nothing but club social media. If you're mad about the state of NYCFC's press coverage (and you should be!), blame Sam Cooke.
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Yes. 100% true.

It's not that I'm mad at Glenn, by the way -- he does what he can, I just take his reports with a grain of salt sometimes. I'm just frustrated that he's virtually the only source of news out there. Dylan does a nice job, Ryan Gerbosi is new and hopefully he comes back next year because he's been good. But there's just nowhere near enough people with access actually reporting on this team.
 
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