Game Of Thrones (spoilers)
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We've got to get back to Bran and his visions at the Tower of Joy -- which I think will end the season.
Might not matter to the North if Rob's letter legitimizing Jon in the event of his death ever shows up!
Ned's sword was Ice. Ser Arthur Dane "the sword of morning" wielded the sword of morning. Which is now wielded by Ser Gerold Dayne "darkstar". Since Ned was honorable enough to return the sword to his home, called Starfall.
And Jamie might have to kill her, becoming the Queenslayer.
Great stuff. I confess I got a little choked up when Daenerys made Tyrion her hand and again in the King of the North scene. That I felt the same way during Rob's King of the North scene didn't diminish it.
The actress who plays young Lady Mormont is quite good; I also thought the Tommen actor has been quite strong the last few weeks. Both show a child under the premature strain of responsibility and leadership.
The Arya scene was great; although it is one of the inherent limitations of TV that I saw it coming. They spent too much time on that serving girl for her not to be more important than she seemed. The idea was a tickle in my head during her first scene with Jamie and Bron, and when she showed up alone with Frey I was certain it was Arya. But evoking the Rat Cook as part of her revenge was brilliant. I wonder if she'll head up to Winterfell. I can't remember who's left on her death list.
Travel seemed to happen magically by teleportation this week. Jamie has dinner with Frey and then is in Kings Landing what seems a couple of days later. Varys also made it from Dorne crazy fast, as did Grandma Tyrell go from Kings's Landing to Dorne.
I think the last scene with the armada was a long flash forward. Not only was Varys on the boat with her (Mereen - Dorn - Mereen - Back on a boat to Dorn in 2 episodes! What's the Westerosi equivalent of frequent flyer miles?), but there were also sails with the Sigil of House Martel & House Tryell sailing with them. So, Varys had to return to Mereen with more ships (or met them at the stepstones) and now they are on their way over, probably weeks/months after that meeting we saw between the queen of thorns and the sand snakes., which would mean they are getting their armies ready as well.
I suppose we can call the spot where Tommen hit the ground
King's Landing.
King's Landing.
I'm reading a lot of analyses and such that state that we now know that Jon Snow is really the legitimate heir to the Iron Throne because his status as the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna is confirmed. But they were not married. Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell and he died before she did so there was no opportunity to marry Lyanna legitimately.
Jon has Targaryen blood and Stark blood. That makes him, to me, the embodiment of Ice and Fire and that's the true name of the book series. But by the mores of his time and place, he's still a bastard, and not a legitimate heir.
Jon has Targaryen blood and Stark blood. That makes him, to me, the embodiment of Ice and Fire and that's the true name of the book series. But by the mores of his time and place, he's still a bastard, and not a legitimate heir.
Interesting. But you're also talking about a house that had no issues with marrying within the family, so what's to say he didn't also marry two different women at the same time? But if Jon is technically still a bastard, that can be remedied by a royal decree, just like Ramsy was made a legitimate Bolton.
The bigger question is how will anybody believe his true lineage since there's nobody left that witnessed it and Bran can't exactly go around showing everybody his visions??? Are any of the midwives still alive (doubt it) and would anybody believe them (really doubt it). His aunt may not even believe it when told unless he is engulfed in fire but isn't burned, or the dragons immediately lick his face and paw at him. Do the maesters have a paternity test they can administer? The only other possibility I can think of is that Jon visits Dragonstone to get the dragon glass and he somehow finds an egg & reanimates it; do that and there's no question but still doesn't explain/reveal his parents.
I've been poking around and it seems the Targaryens practiced occasional polygamy but had to stop. It's forbidden under Westeros custom and by the 7 gods. They got away with it when they first conquered but found that both it and the incest undermined their authority after the dragons died. Now his aunt has dragons but that doesn't help him. Unless they marry, which many predict. But in that case it's still a case, I maintain, that the people of Westeros would consider him a bastard, but they would accept him as King because of power and respect, and they just want things to get back to normal.
Lots of people point out that 3 members of the Kingsguard were guarding the Tower of Joy when Ned showed up and they wouldn't guard a paramour and her bastard, so possibly Rhaegar did marry her, however illicitly. I'm still not certain the Kingsguard would have accepted that at the time.
As for your proof point, good question. Anyone would take Ned Stark's word. Although he's not around but I wonder whether he might have confided in someone. A maester maybe but all the likely suspects seem among them seem to be dead also. I bet Varys knows somehow but I cannot think of a chain to get him the knowledge.
Lots of people point out that 3 members of the Kingsguard were guarding the Tower of Joy when Ned showed up and they wouldn't guard a paramour and her bastard, so possibly Rhaegar did marry her, however illicitly. I'm still not certain the Kingsguard would have accepted that at the time.
As for your proof point, good question. Anyone would take Ned Stark's word. Although he's not around but I wonder whether he might have confided in someone. A maester maybe but all the likely suspects seem among them seem to be dead also. I bet Varys knows somehow but I cannot think of a chain to get him the knowledge.
First if Jon is a Targ bastard, his name should be Jon Rivers, not Jon Snow. Doesn't roll off the tongue the same does it?
Howland Reed is also a witness. And Bran is with his daughter who may know where he is. Hell Bran should known where everyone is if he can tap into the WWW (world wide weirwood) network! Also, in the book it's believed the septa who travels with the fake Aegon Targarian might be the midwife from the TOJ. But since the show totally did away with that plot line, they may combine her with another character. Only living septa we've seen on the show is currently being tortured by FrankenGregor. That would be one hell of a twist. But I believe if Bran can meet up with Jon, he can perform some type of "miracle" with his 3 eyed Raven powers to convince everyone.
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Is Howland Reed still alive? I figured if he was he would've joined up with Rob on the march down to avenge Ned.
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