Lots of evidence that wights have blue eyes, but as I noted (see my update above) there's lots of disagreement and no rules.
Game Of Thrones (spoilers)
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yeah, they're blue, but cloudy - not as vibrant or as clear as the White Walkers
White Walkers:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4a/f8/2f/4af82f91968762d4febcd4ab106649b0.jpg
https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.ne...2e/Baby.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160816135500
Wights:
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http://film-book.com/wp-content/upl...me-of-thrones-valar-morghulis-01-1280x720.png
no way that dragon was still alive under the water... its supposed to be a wight dragon as per the rules. Whether or not the show is following the rules i dont know
or they're following rules we're not aware of yet - like we don't know for sure if a White Walker can raise something from the dead and make it a wight or a fellow White Walker
I just don't see them getting the eyes wrong, is all
The sisters at each others throats scenes were nail grating for me. Like yeah i get it they have grown to be different from when they were kids, but like zero happiness to see each other straight into forced drama of arya accusing sansa of plotting to take over power? I didn't believe it because if it had resulted in either deaths it would have been the most unnatural/forced twists. So I played a little game where I imagined what is the worst thing the writers would do here. Obviously they are pretending to bicker and fall so easily into little fingers traps so as to lull him into their own trap. And why would the writers do this.... to fill air time and create suspense.
I suppose I could just roll my eyes and move past it, but so much airtime was dedicated to its poor buildup that I was hoping at least it would be a worth while conclusion. But instead it ends with sansa reading accusations and arya immediately slashing his throat unceremoniously. All I could think was, hold on, what happened to the social order? in the past when someone was accused of something they all got large trails, and at the very least when they lost they were executed humanely. When did it become ok to accuse someone then slash them to bleed out? Like who corroborated the accusations? I get it that bran can really see visions and we as the audience know that, but how is this substantial to the soldiers in attendance? Or was is known this whole time by everyone that little finger was a huge scumbag who did all these things? If that was the case, then all the drama before of sansa "trusting" him was completey out of place. Why wasn't he put in jail immediately if everyone knew these things, why was he allowed to walk around winterfell freely if everyone knew he wronged the stark so horrendously. I thought the mystique of his character is he was so devious that he pulled strings behinds the scenes and no one knew it was him doing it? Sure people might think he is bad, but how did it become ok to kill someone on hearsay?
And the answer is lazy writing. Trying to wrap up a story in too short a time frame that was so intricately built up. Its sad to see. Honestly they should just do more seasons and give this story the justified ending it deserves. They have so much content, I don't understand why they are forcing themselves into these time constraints. Even if they took a full year or two off, people would come back eagerly for the good story. This is just a sad, sad way to go out.
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then it's a question of truly raising something from the dead or just re-animating it
as per the books and what ive seen in the show. if its already dead theyre reanimating them into dead wights. If it was alive when turned theyre still alive and are white walkers.
that if something is dead it can only be re-animated into a dead wight - I too have read the books and have been trying to search for proof that this is a hard rule and a fact, but not having any luck - just because we haven't seen it before, doesn't make it impossible for something dead to come back as a White Walker
The scene between Jamie and Cersei at the end... jesus christ I thought that was it.
This gets exactly to why I don't like this. There are two ways to justify a new development like this so late in a long involved story. The weak way is to say nothing that happened so far rules it out. The stronger way is to show how something that happened in the previous thousands of pages or dozens of hours of television actually supports, foreshadows or suggests it. Turning the dead into WWs seems to meet only the weak test, and that is, well, weak.
This is a story where major plot developments were foreshadowed in the first few chapters or hours, not to be paid off until much much later, and in all the pieces I just read taking the position that the dragon is a WW, not one has pointed to evidence in favor of the theory that the dead can become WWs. All rely on the weak justification, that nothing rules it out. Which is such BS because everything pointed to the dead/alive distinction, including that it just makes sense. If you're dead you lose your soul/consciousness/selfhood/whatever and so become a brainless zombie. If you're alive, the opposite. Yes. That was never explicitly proven but literally every piece of evidence we have actively points that way. That none of them explicitly rule out the opposite is just so lame.
There are 2 ways to write really long involved stories like this. One is to set limited waypoints and destinations and then make up the rest as you go along. Think Battlestar Galactica. The other is the plot out every minor detail ahead of time then just produce what you planned. Think Babylon 5, LOTR (B5 had to make adjustment due to personal issues and ratings but even those were pre-planned). I think GMMR has worked in a hybrid mode, creating a vast universe where lots of rules and plot points were set in advance, but others were left to make it up as he went along. And I fear that combination has turned into an unresolvable chaos, which is why each new book takes 5, 6, and even more years each, and why the TV show is becoming a hot mess even as it hits every major plot requirement while it rushes to its finish.
I'm still enjoying it, but it's not living up to what it should have been.
she left her betrothed to run off with a married man - as a result of not telling anyone, a war is started, her father is burned alive, her one brother is killed, and the other (Ned) is very nearly killed - thousands die including her love, Rhaegar, and his family is overthrown and murdered - then not only does she give her child to Ned and asks him to keep a terribly secret that causes marital strain with Cat, she also has the nerve to name him after Rhaegar's other son that was killed by The Mountain (he might have helped name Jon/Aegon as well, but still) - all of that, just because she was thirsty
Babylon 5 was so brilliant - one of the first to set stuff up seasons in advance as the most mundane of details.
If she didn't ask Ned to keep a secret, Robert would have killed Jon Snow in a heartbeat. That was a mother's natural desire for preservation, and Ned understood his drunken friend's rage for revenge.
well, he wouldn't have had to keep a secret if she just told everyone, "I left Robert for this guy because I love him so no one overreact please" haha
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