It's one thing to build a team.D_RoyJenkins what you're missing is that Garth Lagerway built that team. Not Kreis. Kreis rode his coat tails in RSL and we got snookered into hiring him.
It's another to make them win.
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It's another to make them win.
Your job should be called into question when you keep on making the same mistake every single fucking week.
We're 3 points out of a playoff spot with 14 games left. With the shit roster that we started out with I'm happy about where we are and now that reinforcements are coming I think we have a very good chance of making the playoffs. Yes Kreis has made some shit subs and done some dumb tactical stuff but with the roster we had I don't think many people would've done a lot better.
On the fence. Kreis has made a lot of mistakes but on the other hand how many players from this years squad to I truthfully 100 percent want in the starting lineup come opening day next year ? Iarola , Facey (I'm hopeful ) , Mena (better be good) Angelino (no chance) Mix, Lamps, Pirlo, , Villa . So that's realistically 7 and out of those 3 (Mena, Pirlo,Lamps) have yet to see the field period an others such as Mix, Iaraola not at the same time.
I don't think we can do a Euro style bring in a "relegation " specialist for the last 14 games to turn thing around. Already enough upheaval with squad overhaul. After the season might be different story. Evaluate then . If we go say 3-7 or something down the stretch with all the big names in together I'd probably say get rid of him. If we go 9-1 and make or just miss the play offs he'd stay..
I don't think we can do a Euro style bring in a "relegation " specialist for the last 14 games to turn thing around. Already enough upheaval with squad overhaul. After the season might be different story. Evaluate then . If we go say 3-7 or something down the stretch with all the big names in together I'd probably say get rid of him. If we go 9-1 and make or just miss the play offs he'd stay..
Lmao you people really think this is Europe. The red bulls have been doing what you want for years, that's why after 20 years all they have to show is one supporters shield. Did you know Bruce Arena used to coach them? You know, the same guy that built the LA Galaxy and DC United dynasties. Ever hear of Bob Bradley? The guy who won the MLS cup and US open cup with the Fire? Red bulls fired him too. Bottom line is there are so many challenges in MLS. Salary cap, travel distances, playing on turf, complex player acquisition rules, and specifically for us, playing our first season ever. You're crazy of you expected things to go smoothly from the jump. I hate Grabavoy, Ballouchy, and Wingert playing as much as anyone but firing Kreis isn't the solution. Those players were acquired in an expansion draft along with most of our team. We need to give him time to replace them.
Ok so the argument is Kreis has the players but doesn't know how to use them vs. he doesn't have the player talent to do what he wants.
To that I say, good coaches find ways to make things click. Yes it's an expansion team but I don't think the expectations are the issue.
There's a major difference between what JK supporters see and what others do. I don't think it's being articulated correctly. Maybe it's me, but this is what the issue it.
There's a major difference between the following ways to lose.
A. Losing games while playing like crap. Seeing players not in there position. Seeing players used at the wrong time and incorrectly. Not being creative with formations and relying on ole faithful.
B. Losing games while playing good. Seeing team chemistry improve each week. Seeing players buy into a tactical style. Seeing communication on the pitch. Seeing a clear direction.
I 100% believe we are in category (A).
After these games, it's not the loss that stings. It's the game play. A well coached team with lesser talent would lose, but makes you feel like there's progress being made. There's such a thing as a positive loss. Where you say to yourself...we are almost there...a couple more pieces of the puzzle and we can compete for a title. This isn't where we are at. JK doesn't have the luxury of picking forwards and defenders really cause we don't have any. But where he can make the call and try to be creative is in the midfield. When watching this team our MF is our Achilles Heel. It sabotages the defense and is counterproductive to the offense. It's embarrassing to watch. Reports were JK didn't want midfield help and wanted a forward. In my eyes, he thinks Grabavoy is the right guy for this team. Hell, he keeps playing him and leaving him out there. He essentially said fuck Pirlo, I have Grabavoy. We may have got delusional in the past due to quantity over quality in the midfield. But JK was basically saying we are fine there. I haven't seen one thing where I said to myself in a confident manner that...JK is our guy. The streak we were on was mostly Villa. Lampard & Pirlo will get this team going and it will have 100% nothing to do with JK. Yet at the end of the year, the JK supporters will stand up and say...see, told you, he's good. I'm not talking about firing, replacing, who's better...in just talking about him, as a coach.
Nows the time to show if he has what it takes to be the head coach here...not after everyone arrives and it's easier.
To that I say, good coaches find ways to make things click. Yes it's an expansion team but I don't think the expectations are the issue.
There's a major difference between what JK supporters see and what others do. I don't think it's being articulated correctly. Maybe it's me, but this is what the issue it.
There's a major difference between the following ways to lose.
A. Losing games while playing like crap. Seeing players not in there position. Seeing players used at the wrong time and incorrectly. Not being creative with formations and relying on ole faithful.
B. Losing games while playing good. Seeing team chemistry improve each week. Seeing players buy into a tactical style. Seeing communication on the pitch. Seeing a clear direction.
I 100% believe we are in category (A).
After these games, it's not the loss that stings. It's the game play. A well coached team with lesser talent would lose, but makes you feel like there's progress being made. There's such a thing as a positive loss. Where you say to yourself...we are almost there...a couple more pieces of the puzzle and we can compete for a title. This isn't where we are at. JK doesn't have the luxury of picking forwards and defenders really cause we don't have any. But where he can make the call and try to be creative is in the midfield. When watching this team our MF is our Achilles Heel. It sabotages the defense and is counterproductive to the offense. It's embarrassing to watch. Reports were JK didn't want midfield help and wanted a forward. In my eyes, he thinks Grabavoy is the right guy for this team. Hell, he keeps playing him and leaving him out there. He essentially said fuck Pirlo, I have Grabavoy. We may have got delusional in the past due to quantity over quality in the midfield. But JK was basically saying we are fine there. I haven't seen one thing where I said to myself in a confident manner that...JK is our guy. The streak we were on was mostly Villa. Lampard & Pirlo will get this team going and it will have 100% nothing to do with JK. Yet at the end of the year, the JK supporters will stand up and say...see, told you, he's good. I'm not talking about firing, replacing, who's better...in just talking about him, as a coach.
Nows the time to show if he has what it takes to be the head coach here...not after everyone arrives and it's easier.
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Dude I have watched every game since the first exhibition game vs St. Mirren in the UK. Saunders has been playing well above his head this year. But trust me Saunders is at best a backup in this league, a very good backup. Hernandez is young? Which Hernandez are you talking about? Hernandez a City Elite Youth Player? Not following what your saying here....
Jurgen Klopp would be a fantastic get, and CFG could probably make it worth his while, BUT we'd need a real team for Klopp to manage. I'm skeptical that's even possible for at least a few more seasons.
Frankly I think we have to get through the Lampard/Pirlo/Villa years (okay, Villa may stick around longer than those guys) and into an era when our DPs could be here for four years as serious players before this team becomes the cup machine we want.
We need time to build a real squad. CFG have built a squad that people want to come see (once Lampard and Pirlo start playing), and, remember, CFG needs to *make money*, not *win*. In many leagues the two go hand in hand, but winning the MLS Cup is not exactly the payday that winning the EPL is. CFG have started smartly with an expansion team which puts asses in seats. That's an amazing beginning! NEXT, the real work can begin of crafting a winning team.
We will definitely see a well-known European name manager at NYCFC in the near future. But not until it aligns with a squad really capable of winning.
Frankly I think we have to get through the Lampard/Pirlo/Villa years (okay, Villa may stick around longer than those guys) and into an era when our DPs could be here for four years as serious players before this team becomes the cup machine we want.
We need time to build a real squad. CFG have built a squad that people want to come see (once Lampard and Pirlo start playing), and, remember, CFG needs to *make money*, not *win*. In many leagues the two go hand in hand, but winning the MLS Cup is not exactly the payday that winning the EPL is. CFG have started smartly with an expansion team which puts asses in seats. That's an amazing beginning! NEXT, the real work can begin of crafting a winning team.
We will definitely see a well-known European name manager at NYCFC in the near future. But not until it aligns with a squad really capable of winning.
I think Mullins is young and raw, the same as Shelton. They both can learn a tremendous amount from Villa.. They may not be awesome right now, but we don't need a superstar in every position. And when Villa is gone they can both be competant forwards.
No, he hasn't had a ton of time to make the team gel but that is basically his most important job. As it has been said before, if you keep making the same mistakes, there is no way the team will get better.
Poku has had half a season to get his conditioning up. If it's not starter ready by now, what is the problem? He obviously has talent but it won't improve unless he gets significant minutes. Part of Kreis' job is to make his good players function at their best.
Playing players out of their natural position is another problem. Having Wingert play CB and Mix play a deep mid is setting them up to fail. I understand we had weaknesses at CB, but you don't fix that by taking a player out of somewhere where he is more comfortable.
His substitutions are absolutely mind-boggling. The Cosmos game is exhibit A. Your backline is finally starting to gel and you sub out more than half of them.
My point of view is this: he'll get to the end of the year. I think it is only fair to give a head coach of a new team that. But once his second season starts every single game will be under scrutiny, and every game could be his last.
No, he hasn't had a ton of time to make the team gel but that is basically his most important job. As it has been said before, if you keep making the same mistakes, there is no way the team will get better.
Poku has had half a season to get his conditioning up. If it's not starter ready by now, what is the problem? He obviously has talent but it won't improve unless he gets significant minutes. Part of Kreis' job is to make his good players function at their best.
Playing players out of their natural position is another problem. Having Wingert play CB and Mix play a deep mid is setting them up to fail. I understand we had weaknesses at CB, but you don't fix that by taking a player out of somewhere where he is more comfortable.
His substitutions are absolutely mind-boggling. The Cosmos game is exhibit A. Your backline is finally starting to gel and you sub out more than half of them.
My point of view is this: he'll get to the end of the year. I think it is only fair to give a head coach of a new team that. But once his second season starts every single game will be under scrutiny, and every game could be his last.
Sorry, but there is o.0000000001% chance Klopp will ever coach NYC and I also disagree that they will get a well known European manager. If anything, the best name European that NYC will possess for the foreseeable future is a former world class player with very little or no experience.
I completely made a mistake with Hernandez, sorry haha.
Agreed. Some of you place way too much importance on this team and league in the grand scheme of things. One of the top European managers is not coming here, we're not even on the radar.
So apparently JK and the team think they did a good job against New England. He is very positive about the game. I was positive about Mullins and Angelino, but they were subbed when we were down 1 on the road. So I guess I'll just go F myself and look forward to watching European Football soon cause this league is in bizarro world when the head coach can watch film on this game and say good things after how they played in the 2nd half. Maybe he's impressed with Pablo's touches to the other team, or AJ passing the ball to a fan instead of a teammate, or Saunders not being able to kick the ball onto the field, or Grabavoy looking clueless.
There's a whole lot of crazy in this thread. Kreis deserves at least until the middle of next season, and I assume he'll be around longer than that. It's an expansion team, there are going to be growing pains. NYCFC has such an impatient, whiny fan base. Have some perspective, it's July of the club's first season. All is not lost.
Also Jurgen Klopp? I mean come on. It's hard to see a coach of that quality settling for Liverpool, let alone MLS.
Also Jurgen Klopp? I mean come on. It's hard to see a coach of that quality settling for Liverpool, let alone MLS.
I don't want Kreis to go, I just want him to stop making stupid ass lineup decisions. he actually has really good qualities for us as a coach. He plays a very attacking style. in most games (red bulls and 1st toronto game as exceptions) we take it to the opponent and attack attack attack. That is exciting as a fan. He doesn't have the horses to succeed right now in that style, but I would honestly rather see us play games attacking than playing bunker ball and hoping we can score on the two breakaways we get.
If he wasn't up grabavoy's and wingerts asses, and if his post game pressers had a drop of self awareness I think I would like him a lot more. But really, tactically and the way he wants to play is exciting and hopefully will turn into wins when we have the better players
If he wasn't up grabavoy's and wingerts asses, and if his post game pressers had a drop of self awareness I think I would like him a lot more. But really, tactically and the way he wants to play is exciting and hopefully will turn into wins when we have the better players
Some idiot was chanting "Fire Kreis" at RBA in May...
It's Year One. I'm here to echo all the voices saying, give the man a chance. He knows the league, he knows the game, and he's a proven winner. I have faith that (1) City can actually make the playoffs this season; and (2) Year Two will be better than Year One.
I'm also here to echo all the voices saying he makes some silly personnel decisions. But you, dear reader, are never going to agree with everything a coach does. And if you do, there will be someone else on this forum screaming for him to be fired. Firing a coach (in this relegation-less league) means giving up on a season, and I'm not ready to give up on this one just yet.
It's Year One. I'm here to echo all the voices saying, give the man a chance. He knows the league, he knows the game, and he's a proven winner. I have faith that (1) City can actually make the playoffs this season; and (2) Year Two will be better than Year One.
I'm also here to echo all the voices saying he makes some silly personnel decisions. But you, dear reader, are never going to agree with everything a coach does. And if you do, there will be someone else on this forum screaming for him to be fired. Firing a coach (in this relegation-less league) means giving up on a season, and I'm not ready to give up on this one just yet.
He's not an expansion/rookie coach. He should have enough experience to at least setup a proper formation with the appropriate players. But he needs to be a man, step up and take some damn blame. I'm not saying fire him right now, but I'd definitely be exploring other options.
The TFC game is a perfect example. The first game he goes with 5 mids and marks Giovinco the whole game...it worked. The second game he goes with 4 mids and lets Giovinco have free range...he lights us up. Maybe he underestimated his skill level, but firstly why change a tactic that worked, secondly...once you recognize our 4 midfielders cant defend against him, make adjustments.
The last game...was Angelino hurt or gased? He was one of the few doing positive things...why the f is Wingert coming in that game? New England wasn't attacking us. Is Wingert a defensive God or a offensive spark plug?? No. He sucks. I took it as a white flag. Grabavoy would have played 90 if he didn't get carded. He is like quick sand to an offensive attack. He's not much better defensively either.
These aren't expansion mistakes. These are personnel mistakes. I question his judgement not his ability.
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