MLS - May 29 - LAFC (Away)

[canchon]

Didn’t Magno himself say he was still hurt, that his knee wasn’t 100%? If so why is NYCFC taking him across the country to play 20 mins on like one day of training?

I don’t know that we can take much out of his 20 mins. His pressing did cause the Tinnherholm turnover which led to Medina’s goal.

 

[Seth]

youve casually typed 3 paragraphs and avoided the essence of the question.
do you enjoy that the success of MCFC is the primary concern of our ownership group and that sometimes that mission creates a conflict?

I think your premise is perhaps flawed though. Is there any real evidence that Man City has any effect on our club? I mean sure, Angelino, and probably a few others, but have we suffered at all from having our good players plucked from our team to aid “the mothership”? I’m not saying there’s no relationship between the two clubs but have we really been hurt by Man City raiding our club? Feels like the concern about this is perhaps overblown although I could certainly be forgetting something. (And I’m purposely ignoring the whole Lampard thing because who knows what really happened with that.) I’m just saying that I’m not really seeing much of a foul, and certainly nothing worth a yellow, so to speak.

The success of Man City is very different from our success. City can spend almost limitless amounts on their players while we have somewhat ludicrous limits on our player budget. And the Premier League title is won by simply winning the league, whereas our title is basically a crap shoot that any of the “top” 14 teams can win if they have a lucky streak in November or lose if they have one bonehead play in October. Doesn’t really seem like there’s any comparison on how much ownership can do for our team or our league compared to how much they can help City win. City the primary concern of ownership? Probably yeah, but given our league’s budget constraints how much can they actually do here beyond getting us the players they can get?

 

[413Blue]

I think your premise is perhaps flawed though. Is there any real evidence that Man City has any effect on our club? I mean sure, Angelino, and probably a few others, but have we suffered at all from having our good players plucked from our team to aid “the mothership”? I’m not saying there’s no relationship between the two clubs but have we really been hurt by Man City raiding our club? Feels like the concern about this is perhaps overblown although I could certainly be forgetting something. (And I’m purposely ignoring the whole Lampard thing because who knows what really happened with that.) I’m just saying that I’m not really seeing much of a foul, and certainly nothing worth a yellow, so to speak.

The success of Man City is very different from our success. City can spend almost limitless amounts on their players while we have somewhat ludicrous limits on our player budget. And the Premier League title is won by simply winning the league, whereas our title is basically a crap shoot that any of the “top” 14 teams can win if they have a lucky streak in November or lose if they have one bonehead play in October. Doesn’t really seem like there’s any comparison on how much ownership can do for our team or our league compared to how much they can help City win. City the primary concern of ownership? Probably yeah, but given our league’s budget constraints how much can they actually do here beyond getting us the players they can get?

Certainly not to the extent that RBNJ has been routinely gutted for the benefit of that empire.

 

[Kjbert]

i dont care. i have a team i can go support here in my city and they even help some players from area to get scouted and play for nycfc.

so you’ll support QBFC then?

 

[SoupInNYC]

alejandro pozuelo against our own NYCFC

That’s a pretty good shout though he had a few extra days of training leading up to our matchup than Talles did. (Joined TFC on 3/18/19, played against us 3/29/19).

But again, your point is totally valid regarding first game large impact.

 

[Kjbert]

I think your premise is perhaps flawed though. Is there any real evidence that Man City has any effect on our club? I mean sure, Angelino, and probably a few others, but have we suffered at all from having our good players plucked from our team to aid “the mothership”? I’m not saying there’s no relationship between the two clubs but have we really been hurt by Man City raiding our club? Feels like the concern about this is perhaps overblown although I could certainly be forgetting something. (And I’m purposely ignoring the whole Lampard thing because who knows what really happened with that.) I’m just saying that I’m not really seeing much of a foul, and certainly nothing worth a yellow, so to speak.

The success of Man City is very different from our success. City can spend almost limitless amounts on their players while we have somewhat ludicrous limits on our player budget. And the Premier League title is won by simply winning the league, whereas our title is basically a crap shoot that any of the “top” 14 teams can win if they have a lucky streak in November or lose if they have one bonehead play in October. Doesn’t really seem like there’s any comparison on how much ownership can do for our team or our league compared to how much they can help City win. City the primary concern of ownership? Probably yeah, but given our league’s budget constraints how much can they actually do here beyond getting us the players they can get?

but do we have limits on our roster construction? Especially now with the U22 rules?
Man City operates at a significant loss and is propped up by CFG and funky accounting.
our club is run like a selling club. A selling club that can create cash flow that goes back to help CFG with FFP for Man City.

 

[Fantazma]

so you’ll support QBFC then?

ill watch games sure, am i buying their jersey and merch, no.
Im not from queens.
If there is a manhattan fc ( that actually plays in manhattan not randalls island) or something, yes.

 

[Kjbert]

ill watch games sure, am i buying their jersey and merch, no.
Im not from queens.
If there is a manhattan fc ( that actually plays in manhattan not randalls island) or something, yes.

got it. So you’re a casual fan and not a rabid supporter

 

[SoupInNYC]

got it. So you’re a casual fan and not a rabid supporter

You really appear determined to convince other people that they shouldn’t be rooting for NYCFC and it’s pretty weird

 

[Gotham Gator]

Our club has a negative cash flow.

When I attended a talk with Ferran Soriano a couple of summers ago, he said two things of relevance.

1 - He has believed in the U.S. soccer market, and specifically in a NYC team, since he was at Barcelona. One reason he joined CFG was their willingness to build the empire that Barća was not willing to build. They are showing their commitment to building a long term elite club in NYC by committing $500 million to build a stadium.

2 - He views the Clubs in a kind of heirarchy of quality and thinks one of the purposes NYCFC serves is to develop talent that can be used by or sold my Man City. He specifically mentioned Castellanos as an example of this.

Yes, these two goals can be in tension with each other at times, but mostly they don’t have to be. Yes, Harrison and Herrera were moved out, but they were terrific, productive players while they were here. Remember this about our role as a developer of talent. It’s really only a detriment if we are playing people who aren’t good enough, and we haven’t been doing that.

 

[413Blue]

Our club has a negative cash flow.

When I attended a talk with Ferran Soriano a couple of summers ago, he said two things of relevance.

1 - He has believed in the U.S. soccer market, and specifically in a NYC team, since he was at Barcelona. One reason he joined CFG was their willingness to build the empire that Barća was not willing to build. They are showing their commitment to building a long term elite club in NYC by committing $500 million to build a stadium.

2 - He views the Clubs in a kind of heirarchy of quality and thinks one of the purposes NYCFC serves is to develop talent that can be used by or sold my Man City. He specifically mentioned Castellanos as an example of this.

Yes, these two goals can be in tension with each other at times, but mostly they don’t have to be. Yes, Harrison and Herrera were moved out, but they were terrific, productive players while they were here. Remember this about our role as a developer of talent. It’s really only a detriment if we are playing people who aren’t good enough, and we haven’t been doing that.

Not to mention, most other teams in the league would have also moved Herrera and Harrison at about the same stage, even if they weren't part of an empire.

 

[Fantazma]

got it. So you’re a casual fan and not a rabid supporter

Maybe? I don’t follow their social media (I find news about them here ironically). Since I have espn+ I’ll probably see their games pop up so I’ll watch.

kinda like new Amsterdam, like if it pops up when I’m watching bein sport I’ll watch it. Casually look up how they doing in standings every once in a while but that’s it. Not truly call myself a fan.

 

[Kjbert]

You really appear determined to convince other people that they shouldn’t be rooting for NYCFC and it’s pretty weird

nope. Just defending myself and the view that this Club treats us like a second class citizen.

 

[Kjbert]

Our club has a negative cash flow.

When I attended a talk with Ferran Soriano a couple of summers ago, he said two things of relevance.

1 - He has believed in the U.S. soccer market, and specifically in a NYC team, since he was at Barcelona. One reason he joined CFG was their willingness to build the empire that Barća was not willing to build. They are showing their commitment to building a long term elite club in NYC by committing $500 million to build a stadium.

2 - He views the Clubs in a kind of heirarchy of quality and thinks one of the purposes NYCFC serves is to develop talent that can be used by or sold my Man City. He specifically mentioned Castellanos as an example of this.

Yes, these two goals can be in tension with each other at times, but mostly they don’t have to be. Yes, Harrison and Herrera were moved out, but they were terrific, productive players while they were here. Remember this about our role as a developer of talent. It’s really only a detriment if we are playing people who aren’t good enough, and we haven’t been doing that.

you realize this proves my point, right?

 

[Kjbert]

And the idea that we have negative cash flow is a lie. The Club has been self sustaining. As are most MLS Clubs. The only reason they post a loss is because it helps them to line the CFG coffers to do so.

 

[413Blue]

And the idea that we have negative cash flow is a lie. The Club has been self sustaining. As are most MLS Clubs. The only reason they post a loss is because it helps them to line the CFG coffers to do so.

What makes you think we have positive cash flow?

 

[Kjbert]

What makes you think we have positive cash flow?

the man city papers or whatever they’re called. It showed the funky accounting CFG use to bleed the smaller clubs to finance MAn City for FFP purposes

 

[ZYanksRule]

Our club has a negative cash flow.

When I attended a talk with Ferran Soriano a couple of summers ago, he said two things of relevance.

1 - He has believed in the U.S. soccer market, and specifically in a NYC team, since he was at Barcelona. One reason he joined CFG was their willingness to build the empire that Barća was not willing to build. They are showing their commitment to building a long term elite club in NYC by committing $500 million to build a stadium.

2 - He views the Clubs in a kind of heirarchy of quality and thinks one of the purposes NYCFC serves is to develop talent that can be used by or sold my Man City. He specifically mentioned Castellanos as an example of this.

Yes, these two goals can be in tension with each other at times, but mostly they don’t have to be. Yes, Harrison and Herrera were moved out, but they were terrific, productive players while they were here. Remember this about our role as a developer of talent. It’s really only a detriment if we are playing people who aren’t good enough, and we haven’t been doing that.

As long as our team is not in a major league around the world, the best thing we can do is be a developer of talent. I much prefer this to over-the-hill aging players who won't win anything.

 

[FredMertz]

As long as our team is not in a major league around the world, the best thing we can do is be a developer of talent. I much prefer this to over-the-hill aging players who won't win anything.

Other than the top 7-8 of the premier league and fewer than 5 teams in Germany, Spain, France, and Italy, EVERY team in the world is a selling team.

I mean even Leicester City as a top 5 club is a selling team. If they weren't, they'd still have Kante, Mahrez, Maguire & Chillwell, and probably another Premier League title. And I'd bet they sell Ndidi this summer.

 

[SoupInNYC]

What makes you think we have positive cash flow?

Yeah, I highly doubt any MLS clubs are currently positive cash flow. Even before the pandemic impacted things. There just isn't enough TV money. Even though salaries aren't crazy high, they're high enough that after you tack on other operating expenses, there is just no way we are positive cash flow. Especially considering the amount of rent we are paying.