NYCFC Academy - General Discussion

[mgarbowski]

Now I'm going to either add some helpful context to how I look at this, or just prove how heartless and cruel I am (or both):

I basically don't much care how any former NYCFC player does in his career after he leaves NYCFC. It doesn't matter if we cut him, trade him, or a loan ends, or if he forces a move, or whatever. It's not personal and it's not vengeful. I just don't care. I don't much care how Angelino is doing, or Mix, or Jack. I generally wish all of the well, but when anyone posts a little clip or news story here about them I just move to the next post. Because I don't care. I won't care how Villa does next year in Japan. I don't care how PV's team is doing in France.

So asking me to care about a youth player who played 0 minutes with the senior team is borderline lunatic from my POV. I realize it's not universal, or even a substantial plurality opinion, but it's how I look at things. They don't care about my life or career and it's mutual once they leave the team. We're not friends. Caring about Gio, or the team promoting his career, is like if the Yankees sign some teenager who moves up through their farm system from the rookie league to AAA, then they trade him before he ever plays one inning for the Yankees, and months later people are discussing how he does and the Yankees are still promoting him on social media. It's preposterous.

I do care about Gio as a national team player. But that's it, and it's not different from the other NT players who never passed through our academy.

 

[sundance]

It's preposterous.

I don’t think anyone is telling you that you have to care about former players—although a lot of people do, which is pretty normal and hardly “lunatic.”

But the point derek_villa and I are making is a separate one: it’s really the opposite of preposterous for the club to promote the successes of former players. These successes build the club’s general sporting reputation and specifically serve as powerful direct evidence for prospective recruits in favor of coming to NYCFC. Why ignore that?

 

[Christopher Jee]

I don’t think anyone is telling you that you have to care about former players—although a lot of people do, which is pretty normal and hardly “lunatic.”

I don't have skin in this game but just in to point out that lunacy is pretty much normal. Especially on the internet.

 

[413Blue]

Now I'm going to either add some helpful context to how I look at this, or just prove how heartless and cruel I am (or both):

I basically don't much care how any former NYCFC player does in his career after he leaves NYCFC. It doesn't matter if we cut him, trade him, or a loan ends, or if he forces a move, or whatever. It's not personal and it's not vengeful. I just don't care. I don't much care how Angelino is doing, or Mix, or Jack. I generally wish all of the well, but when anyone posts a little clip or news story here about them I just move to the next post. Because I don't care. I won't care how Villa does next year in Japan. I don't care how PV's team is doing in France.

So asking me to care about a youth player who played 0 minutes with the senior team is borderline lunatic from my POV. I realize it's not universal, or even a substantial plurality opinion, but it's how I look at things. They don't care about my life or career and it's mutual once they leave the team. We're not friends. Caring about Gio, or the team promoting his career, is like if the Yankees sign some teenager who moves up through their farm system from the rookie league to AAA, then they trade him before he ever plays one inning for the Yankees, and months later people are discussing how he does and the Yankees are still promoting him on social media. It's preposterous.

I do care about Gio as a national team player. But that's it, and it's not different from the other NT players who never passed through our academy.

I care about some of our former players if they can benefit us still. If Jack makes it into the premier league and plays for England, that is good for our club. If PV dominates France, that has some benefit for us.
Part of the recruiting pitch is having a stellar alumni network to highlight.

 

[adam]

I care about some of our former players if they can benefit us still. If Jack makes it into the premier league and plays for England, that is good for our club. If PV dominates France, that has some benefit for us.
Part of the recruiting pitch is having a stellar alumni network to highlight.

That and the “what if” game. That never gets old.

 

[LionNYC]

Do we have Gio Reyna’s first rights to MLS should we come ever back here because he was in our academy?

 

[mgarbowski]

I don’t think anyone is telling you that you have to care about former players—although a lot of people do, which is pretty normal and hardly “lunatic.”

But the point derek_villa and I are making is a separate one: it’s really the opposite of preposterous for the club to promote the successes of former players. These successes build the club’s general sporting reputation and specifically serve as powerful direct evidence for prospective recruits in favor of coming to NYCFC. Why ignore that?

My girlfriend dumped me fo a more popular boyfriend, but that's good for me because more girls will date me with the intention of dumping me.

 

[sundance]

My girlfriend dumped me fo a more popular boyfriend, but that's good for me because more girls will date me with the intention of dumping me.

Come on, man. That’s a bad analogy designed to miss the point. I don’t know why you’re digging in on this as if you don’t understand how recruiting works, but I’ve said my piece and I’ll leave it at that.

 

[Kjbert]

Maybe just be happy for the kids he’s a fucking child.

 

[mgarbowski]

Come on, man. That’s a bad analogy designed to miss the point. I don’t know why you’re digging in on this as if you don’t understand how recruiting works, but I’ve said my piece and I’ll leave it at that.

This started because I made a completely innocuous joke: "He's still the boss's kid," and you found it necessary to criticize it and then never left anything I wrote unresponded to all day. Fuck this reasonableness pose.

And the analogy I made holds. They're both statements that might be true but you don't say them out loud if you have self-respect and don't want to taste vomit in the back of your throat.

 

[dummyrun]

Maybe just be happy for the kids he’s a fucking child.

I'm incredibly excited to see Reyna play in Europe. If he succeeds it'll help NYCFC long term in all kinds of ways but that's beside the point: this is about treating our club as more than an item in CFG's ledger.

Look at how Villa treated our academy kids. Watch the way Albert Puig still follows every step in the growth of players he worked with at La Masia years ago, when they were 12 or 13. These kids mean nothing to their careers but everything to the spirit of the clubs they've spent years building. We should be more like them.

 

[BxLio91]

Again do we have that if he wasn't Reyna's kid? And wasn't he going to Dortmund? If he has any sort of success is anyone even going to remember he was here or are people going to credit whatever club he goes to?

 

[Kjbert]

But why does it matter if we get credit or not?

 

[BxLio91]

People are saying the club still posting content about Gio makes us look good for future talent.

 

[413Blue]

Maybe just be happy for the kids he’s a fucking child.

No. Fuck him and his family for not signing with us so we could make money off of him real quick.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Now I'm going to either add some helpful context to how I look at this, or just prove how heartless and cruel I am (or both):

I basically don't much care how any former NYCFC player does in his career after he leaves NYCFC. It doesn't matter if we cut him, trade him, or a loan ends, or if he forces a move, or whatever. It's not personal and it's not vengeful. I just don't care. I don't much care how Angelino is doing, or Mix, or Jack. I generally wish all of the well, but when anyone posts a little clip or news story here about them I just move to the next post. Because I don't care. I won't care how Villa does next year in Japan. I don't care how PV's team is doing in France.

So asking me to care about a youth player who played 0 minutes with the senior team is borderline lunatic from my POV. I realize it's not universal, or even a substantial plurality opinion, but it's how I look at things. They don't care about my life or career and it's mutual once they leave the team. We're not friends. Caring about Gio, or the team promoting his career, is like if the Yankees sign some teenager who moves up through their farm system from the rookie league to AAA, then they trade him before he ever plays one inning for the Yankees, and months later people are discussing how he does and the Yankees are still promoting him on social media. It's preposterous.

I do care about Gio as a national team player. But that's it, and it's not different from the other NT players who never passed through our academy.

I guess it says something about you if you view some 16 year kid as an entertainment commodity that can be thrown away when he doesn't entertain you anymore. If you have kids, I hope they don't have the same outlook when they are choosing your nursing home.

 

[Ulrich]

I guess it says something about you if you view some 16 year kid as an entertainment commodity that can be thrown away when he doesn't entertain you anymore. If you have kids, I hope they don't have the same outlook when they are choosing your nursing home.

Logic seems to be lacking in your wheelhouse too..... that 16yo wasn’t thrown away, he walked away and severed the ties on his own. And the nursing home analogy is laughable as it’s not even similar in any way, comparing fandom of a stranger to family blood ties, damn that’s dense.

You weren’t at the Dinner last year in Harlem when Claudio was point blank asked about Gio and being signed by the team. He hemmed and hawed and studdered his way through the answer which ultimately ended with him admitting Gio asks why all of his YNT teammates get to be signed out of their academies and he doesn’t. It was telling he wanted to move up and there was something else going on. Claudio didn’t have the decency to actually answer the question when it was obvious to the audience the decision was already made.

 

[dummyrun]

Speaking of Reyna, he did some nice work today to get an assist.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1069370678854344704

 

[mgarbowski]

In today's State of the League address, Garber said that teams spent more than $100 million on their non-first team rosters. That works out to at least $4.3 million per team on average, though I expect there is a wide variance from the highest to lowest spend.

Anyway it's a useful ballpark figure for the discussion a few weeks back about how much teams spend on academies and player development.

 

[Kjbert]

I need a better understanding of what that means if anyone can do that please.