Nycfc Acquire Cdm Federico Bravo On Loan From Boca Juniors [FINALLY confirmed p13]

NYCFCfan said:
Roberto Chen is signing with Seattle, he was their backup to Bravo.

All signs pointing to Bravo happening. Only thing holding it up is the amount of the purchase clause.
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So does that mean we're signing him as a CB?
 
Update:

Everything has gone quiet over the last 2 days. No one has said anything. The person I talked to before isn't even responding anymore.

There's a chance it still happens but something major is holding it up right now.
 
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NYCFCfan said:
Update:

Everything has gone quiet over the last 2 days. No one has said anything. The person I talked to before isn't even responding anymore.

There's a chance it still happens but something major is holding it up right now.
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PV discovered the rule about international spots.
 
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joe said:
PV discovered the rule about international spots.
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International spots are easy to get in MLS. Allocation money or even draft picks can be traded for them. That's never been a concern.
 
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NYCFCfan said:
International spots are easy to get in MLS. Allocation money or even draft picks can be traded for them. That's never been a concern.
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Then why didn't we get one for Wingert or Grabavoy?
 
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joe said:
Then why didn't we get one for Wingert or Grabavoy?
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Players have to have value to get teams to give you something in return, both are players teams wanted but not based on their salaries no one was giving something up for them. Take Portland for example. They wanted Grabavoy so their options to get him are:

1. Trade us something for him and then pay his full salary of +$300K
2. Wait till we dump him and then then pick him up with of opportunity to renegotiate at a lower rate without giving anything up.

Wingert went on wavers and by grabbing him his pay came off our cap so RSL did us a huge favor. So you could look at that as a trade if you want.

RSL gets: Wingert plut a giant thank you card from NYCFC
NYCFC gets: All of Wingers salary off the books so that we can use the money to sign other players

How exactly were we supposed to get an international spot for either of them?
 
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International spots aren't tough the come by. Some teams only use a couple. Right now we don't need any. Only if we make additional signings would we have to procure one.
 
gbservis said:
Players have to have value to get teams to give you something in return, both are players teams wanted but not based on their salaries no one was giving something up for them. Take Portland for example. They wanted Grabavoy so their options to get him are:

1. Trade us something for him and then pay his full salary of +$300K
2. Wait till we dump him and then then pick him up with of opportunity to renegotiate at a lower rate without giving anything up.

Wingert went on wavers and by grabbing him his pay came off our cap so RSL did us a huge favor. So you could look at that as a trade if you want.

RSL gets: Wingert plut a giant thank you card from NYCFC
NYCFC gets: All of Wingers salary off the books so that we can use the money to sign other players

How exactly were we supposed to get an international spot for either of them?
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To answer your last question first, because Wingert in particular clearly had value for RSL, to the extent that NYCFC gift-wrapped him for them and asked other teams not to claim him, meaning he had value for other teams as well. If international spots truly grow on trees like some point act like, then it should be reasonable to expect NYCFC could receive a "trivial" benefit for providing something of value.

More broadly, we don't know the details of either of their new contracts. Posters on this board assume the contracts are lower, because we have a low perception of the value of these players. Until the players's union releases salaries, it's all speculative.
 
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NYCFCfan said:
Update:

Everything has gone quiet over the last 2 days. No one has said anything. The person I talked to before isn't even responding anymore.

There's a chance it still happens but something major is holding it up right now.
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This would be so disappointing. Further evaluation of Lopez seems to pretty clearly indicate that he is not a true holding mid. Bravo would seem to fill what is, I think, the biggest hole on this team. I've become emotionally attached to him despite never having heard of him a week ago or seen him play!
 
joe said:
To answer your last question first, because Wingert in particular clearly had value for RSL, to the extent that NYCFC gift-wrapped him for them and asked other teams not to claim him, meaning he had value for other teams as well. If international spots truly grow on trees like some point act like, then it should be reasonable to expect NYCFC could receive a "trivial" benefit for providing something of value.

More broadly, we don't know the details of either of their new contracts. Posters on this board assume the contracts are lower, because we have a low perception of the value of these players. Until the players's union releases salaries, it's all speculative.
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No no no we all know they had high contracts. Which is part of the reason people jumped off the Kreis wagon last year. The majority of RSL players he brought over were high contracts with low output. They were both guaranteed $215,000
 
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NYCFC_Dan said:
No no no we all know they had high contracts. Which is part of the reason people jumped off the Kreis wagon last year. The majority of RSL players he brought over were high contracts with low output. They were both guaranteed $215,000
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"new" contracts referred to their contracts with RSL and Portland.
 
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Just based on pedigree alone it would make sense to trade a draft pick for a NCAA player who may or may not pan out for an international spot to be used on Bravo who may or may not pan out. For teams that aren't planning on using the international spot any way, the trade would be a no-brainer.
 
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joe said:
To answer your last question first, because Wingert in particular clearly had value for RSL, to the extent that NYCFC gift-wrapped him for them and asked other teams not to claim him, meaning he had value for other teams as well. If international spots truly grow on trees like some point act like, then it should be reasonable to expect NYCFC could receive a "trivial" benefit for providing something of value.

More broadly, we don't know the details of either of their new contracts. Posters on this board assume the contracts are lower, because we have a low perception of the value of these players. Until the players's union releases salaries, it's all speculative.
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But if you're RSL and know that NYCFC does not have plans for Wingert on this team, and are trying to get him off the books, why offer anything? Just taking him off of waivers and clearing our cap space is compensation.

The argument that "international spots grow on trees (I know is a bit of an exaggeration)" vs receiving one for Wingert do not have to be mutually exclusive.
 
SoupInNYC said:
But if you're RSL and know that NYCFC does not have plans for Wingert on this team, and are trying to get him off the books, why offer anything? Just taking him off of waivers and clearing our cap space is compensation.

The argument that "international spots grow on trees (I know is a bit of an exaggeration)" vs receiving one for Wingert do not have to be mutually exclusive.
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Apparently RSL and NYCFC worked together to get him there as it was his first choice. There were other teams interested in him.

http://www.bigapplesoccer.com/teams/nycfc2.php?article_id=43774
 
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