NYCFC Players Wanted Thread

[Midas Mulligan]

James Milner sucks.

That’s just meanspirited.

 

[dummyrun]

We don’t need Iniesta. We have a version of him that’s a better fit for us and MLS already.

Seriously, what is Iniesta going to bring to us that improves us beyond what Maxi gives?

Gaining 10% over maxi on creativity and delivery means fuck all when we aren’t dealing with absolute worldies making the runs and receiving the balls.

Iniesta out of consideration for me. No need when we have Spider-Man.

Totally. While we're at it, what would Messi give us when we'd be losing 10% from Tommy Mac?

 

[Gotham Gator]

Totally. While we're at it, what would Messi give us when we'd be losing 10% from Tommy Mac?

Messi’s just a skinny version of Tommy Mac.

 

[dummyrun]

Messi’s just a skinny version of Tommy Mac.

Yeah we'd probably lose more than 10% now that you mention it.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Totally. While we're at it, what would Messi give us when we'd be losing 10% from Tommy Mac?

Yeah. You nailed it there, Champ. Exactly what I said.

Frankly, I’m disappointed you didn’t actually evaluate what I said - which in no way implied Maxi was as good.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

James Milner sucks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/988885409642971137

Totally.

By God, give me a taxi thief.

 

[dummyrun]

Yeah. You nailed it there, Champ. Exactly what I said.

Frankly, I’m disappointed you didn’t actually evaluate what I said - which in no way implied Maxi was as good.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Sorry. Not relevant. Particularly not relevant because I pointed out why the difference in quality wouldn’t matter so much for us.

So...nice graphic, i guess?

 

[Kangaroo Jack]

To be fair, you kinda did misinterpret what he said

 

[dummyrun]

So...nice graphic, i guess?

Thanks

 

[dummyrun]

To be fair, you kinda did misinterpret what he said

Nah he said Iniesta for Maxi would be—hang on let me quote here—"[g]aining 10% ... on creativity and delivery." That batshit ten percent figure operates independently from the perfectly valid back half of the sentence, the adverb phrase starting with "when we aren't."

 

[Kjbert]

https://twitter.com/x/status/988885409642971137

Totally.

By God, give me a taxi thief.

Mancunian McNamara

 

[Christopher Jee]

Mancunian McNamara

Poor Man's De Bruyne.

And that's coming from a Leeds fan.

 

[Christopher Jee]

Nah he said Iniesta for Maxi would be—hang on let me quote here—"[g]aining 10% ... on creativity and delivery." That batshit ten percent figure operates independently from the perfectly valid back half of the sentence, the adverb phrase starting with "when we aren't."

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-barcelona-goodbye-as-an-era-draws-to-a-close

OK we'll take him.

Also, his performance against Sevilla had me wondering if I'd overestimated his decline.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Nah he said Iniesta for Maxi would be—hang on let me quote here—"[g]aining 10% ... on creativity and delivery." That batshit ten percent figure operates independently from the perfectly valid back half of the sentence, the adverb phrase starting with "when we aren't."

I think you overestimate (or maybe overstate?) the gap. 10% is a massive margin among pro athletes in my mind.

Semantics, man .iniesta is far better .I still think it wouldn't change much for us .

Eta - this period thing is a problem. Seems it doesn't happen in edits? So weird. I hate it.

 

[dummyrun]

I think you overestimate (or maybe overstate?) the gap. 10% is a massive margin among pro athletes in my mind.

Semantics, man .iniesta is far better .I still think it wouldn't change much for us .

Hey, as long as we can agree that your post meant what it said, this is a question I can take up. Just on its face, the claim that one of the three best central midfielders of his generation is only 10% better in two of his strongest aspects than a player whose career peak was four years with a midtable Serie A side, and whose only career appearance for his national team came in a 2011 friendly, seems totally insane to me. I guess we'd have to come up with some sort of quasi-objective definition for what it means for one player to be a certain number of percentage points better than another, some sort of soccer WAR or something. But what percent better would you say Iniesta is than a guy like Andre Gomes? What percent better is Barça is than Atalanta (no Roma jokes please, it's too soon)? Atalanta than NYCFC? Maxi than Kwame Awuah? Seems to me there's a lot wider range here than you're acknowledging.

Or maybe the claim was that Iniesta's fallen off, which would lead us to Christopher's point.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-barcelona-goodbye-as-an-era-draws-to-a-close

OK we'll take him.

Also, his performance against Sevilla had me wondering if I'd overestimated his decline.

Iniesta's decline has been strange in that it's had less to do with lost skill (obviously) or lost physical ability (he still plays a lot harder off the ball than most people assume, although only on limited minutes) than lost influence. He's unlucky that his prime coincided with Barcelona's shift away from the short-passing-and-counterpressing game where he's most effective to increasingly brutalist soccer under Tata, Luis Enrique, and Valverde. Losing Neymar as a left-side partner this year isolated him even more.

So I'm on board with the part of Midas's post that suggested however much better Iniesta is than Maxi, his talents wouldn't do NYCFC as much good as a team like Napoli. Think of it as a squad multiplier effect on our imaginary player ability percentage. He's a skill player built for combination passing, something he's still highly effective at, as we saw against Sevilla. It's just hard to find a team designed to take full advantage of that skillset, even at the Camp Nou. Much easier to go find a Chinese market for your family's wine business.

 

[Kangaroo Jack]

Hey, as long as we can agree that your post meant what it said, this is a question I can take up. Just on its face, the claim that one of the three best central midfielders of his generation is only 10% better in two of his strongest aspects than a player whose career peak was four years with a midtable Serie A side, and whose only career appearance for his national team came in a 2011 friendly, seems totally insane to me. I guess we'd have to come up with some sort of quasi-objective definition for what it means for one player to be a certain number of percentage points better than another, some sort of soccer WAR or something. But what percent better would you say Iniesta is than a guy like Andre Gomes? What percent better is Barça is than Atalanta (no Roma jokes please, it's too soon)? Atalanta than NYCFC? Maxi than Kwame Awuah? Seems to me there's a lot wider range here than you're acknowledging.

Or maybe the claim was that Iniesta's fallen off, which would lead us to Christopher's point.



Iniesta's decline has been strange in that it's had less to do with lost skill (obviously) or lost physical ability (he still plays a lot harder off the ball than most people assume, although only on limited minutes) than lost influence. He's unlucky that his prime coincided with Barcelona's shift away from the short-passing-and-counterpressing game where he's most effective to increasingly brutalist soccer under Tata, Luis Enrique, and Valverde. Losing Neymar as a left-side partner this year isolated him even more.

So I'm on board with the part of Midas's post that suggested however much better Iniesta is than Maxi, his talents wouldn't do NYCFC as much good as a team like Napoli. Think of it as a squad multiplier effect on our imaginary player ability percentage. He's a skill player built for combination passing, something he's still highly effective at, as we saw against Sevilla. It's just hard to find a team designed to take full advantage of that skillset, even at the Camp Nou. Much easier to go find a Chinese market for your family's wine business.

i dont want to put words in anyones mouth but i think Midas Mulligan 's point was that maxi distributes just fine and that the supporting cast isnt good enough for iniesta to make that much of a difference for NYCFC even though he believes that iniesta is better. I dont disagree with him.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

i dont want to put words in anyones mouth but i think Midas Mulligan 's point was that maxi distributes just fine and that the supporting cast isnt good enough for iniesta to make that much of a difference for NYCFC even though he believes that iniesta is better. I dont disagree with him.

You are totally fine.

If you start trying to put anything other than words in my mouth, it better be pizza or beer.

 

[Kangaroo Jack]

You are totally fine.

If you start trying to put anything other than words in my mouth, it better be pizza or beer.

or cock

 

[Midas Mulligan]

So I'm on board with the part of Midas's post that suggested however much better Iniesta is than Maxi, his talents wouldn't do NYCFC as much good as a team like Napoli. Think of it as a squad multiplier effect on our imaginary player ability percentage. He's a skill player built for combination passing, something he's still highly effective at, as we saw against Sevilla.

This was really the entirety of my point, not to hang anyone up on something as arbitrary as the 10% number yanked directly from my posterior area.