NYCFC Players Wanted Thread

[gbservis]

Correct. He also wasn't even close to being the best one. Would make a great TAM player. I will give him 10 matches.

Call me overly optimistic but my dream still remains that he's a TAM player masquerading as a DP till the summer when we can sign a proper DP. When summer comes and my hopes are destroyed I'll join you in your disappointment of his abilities when measured against our DP expectations.

 

[gbservis]

Pirlo doesn't work in the system we want to play. Either we need another Andoni Iraola type or take Pirlo off for Camargo/Herrera.

100% agree, either set the formation around Pirlo or take him off. PV tried to have his cake and eat it too tonight when he sent Prilo out thinking he could play the Iraola role.

 

[Kjbert]

Has Pirlo been more disappointing than Lampard?

 

[ktdNYCFC]

Has Pirlo been more disappointing than Lampard?

100% IMO. When he was healthy, lamp carried this team. His random buttgoals got us a playoff bye. Pirlo getting burned by Kaka like he wasn't even there is something I don't care to watch ever again.

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

100% agree, either set the formation around Pirlo or take him off. PV tried to have his cake and eat it too tonight when he sent Prilo out thinking he could play the Iraola role.

I know a lot of people said Pirlo looked good. I agree that he made some terrific passes. I don't think anyone is taking that away from him. The way we played against SKC in our last preseason game with Herrera there was much different than today. No where near as much movement in the midfield. Need an actual CDM in that position. Let ring and Maxi get forward. Saw how good Maxi looked last week when he can actually roam and do his thing.

 

[Christopher Jee]

Sounds like we can't have Maxi and Pirlo in the same central midfield setup. Would rather see Maxi out left and Pirlo flanked by Ring and Herrera. Harrison and Maxi can swap all day and wreak havoc.

 

[sbrylski]

Sounds like we can't have Maxi and Pirlo in the same central midfield setup. Would rather see Maxi out left and Pirlo flanked by Ring and Herrera. Harrison and Maxi can swap all day and wreak havoc.

I just said the same thing in the post-game thread. I like Wallace out left actually, he has tenacity that our team is lacking in the final third. But I'd love Harrison off the bench (CAM, LW, RW) with Maxi starting on the right side. Squeezing a 6 on the field is the key - I thought PV learned this last year.

 

[Kjbert]

I just said the same thing in the post-game thread. I like Wallace out left actually, he has tenacity that our team is lacking in the final third. But I'd love Harrison off the bench (CAM, LW, RW) with Maxi starting on the right side. Squeezing a 6 on the field is the key - I thought PV learned this last year.

We need goals. We finished brutally last night.

 

[ktdNYCFC]

Sounds like we can't have Maxi and Pirlo in the same central midfield setup. Would rather see Maxi out left and Pirlo flanked by Ring and Herrera. Harrison and Maxi can swap all day and wreak havoc.

I just said the same thing in the post-game thread. I like Wallace out left actually, he has tenacity that our team is lacking in the final third. But I'd love Harrison off the bench (CAM, LW, RW) with Maxi starting on the right side. Squeezing a 6 on the field is the key - I thought PV learned this last year.

This is why Pirlo gets so much negativity from me. I don't doubt his passing ability, but combine the fact that he cannot defend or run with the fact that the entire midfield needs to be handicapped to get him on the field, and it leans towards net negative in my eyes. I do think they can learn to make it work with Pirlo/Maxi/Ring, but it just seems like a burden. Really hope PV can communicate this to Reyna when we consider his replacement.

 

[Christopher Jee]

This is why Pirlo gets so much negativity from me. I don't doubt his passing ability, but combine the fact that he cannot defend or run with the fact that the entire midfield needs to be handicapped to get him on the field, and it leans towards net negative in my eyes. I do think they can learn to make it work with Pirlo/Maxi/Ring, but it just seems like a burden. Really hope PV can communicate this to Reyna when we consider his replacement.

To me, it's difficult not to get stuck when thinking about individuals, and easier to think about the system or whole, because each player has different merits based on the context in which they are playing.

The problem goes from "is Pirlo good or bad?" to "which combination of players works best together for most opposition lineups?".

 

[Seth]

the fact that he cannot defend or run

Don't really agree with this. Yes, I agree, he's not a defender. Nor will he ever win a footrace with Kaká. However, last season there were a lot of times when he made really good defensive plays that he had to make. Not 20 a game, but perhaps the one or two that were really needed.

Is he the guy you want as the last person between an onrushing forward and the keeper? Nope, not at all. But he knows where he needs to be and he makes sure he gets there. And in fact, he knows where *you'll* need to be and gets there before you even know you'll need to be there.

Yes, he's near the end of his career. But yes, he's that good.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Just play three at the back with 3 cms damnit.

 

[sbrylski]

Just play three at the back with 3 cms damnit.

Allen out for Herrera, basically?

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Allen out for Herrera, basically?

 

[Tyler Connley]

I'm pretty confused by Jeff Carlisle new report he just put out so if we bought him out why does his article say that we would have some Cap relief if we loaned him to the Swedish club?

 

[Gotham Gator]

I'm pretty confused by Jeff Carlisle new report he just put out so if we bought him out why does his article say that we would have some Cap relief if we loaned him to the Swedish club?

He said "salary relief", and I think he means money that would offset the $1.5 million the Club is going to have to pay. I agree it is pretty unclear, but it looks to just be about offsetting losses and not anything to do with the cap.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Call me overly optimistic but my dream still remains that he's a TAM player masquerading as a DP till the summer when we can sign a proper DP. When summer comes and my hopes are destroyed I'll join you in your disappointment of his abilities when measured against our DP expectations.

Not to shatter your dreams but we paid 3.5 million supposedly for him. not possible for him to be a TAM player until next winter.

 

[adam]

Not to shatter your dreams but we paid 3.5 million supposedly for him. not possible for him to be a TAM player until next winter.

Wasn't their some new rule this offseason about TAM being used to offset Aquisition fees in the first year?

 

[JGarrettLieb]

Wasn't their some new rule this offseason about TAM being used to offset Aquisition fees in the first year?

Yes, you can bring all acquisition costs forwards to the initial year and have those costs count against the players guaranteed contract for only that one year, instead of being forced to have those acquisition costs be amortized over the life of the contract.

For example you buy a player for $600k and give him a contract earning $350k a year for 4 years.

Old style: you would basically be charged against the cap $500k each year for four years. Making that player a TAM player no matter what.

New style: You have the option of counting the player $850k against the cap for one year and then having him count against the cap $350k for the other three years.

Caveat: I have exactly no idea how this would work in a DP situation because the league chose to not mention that scenario.

Note: This does not allow the front loading of contracts for players, i.e. $5 million in year one and league minimum for 6 years, it only is applicable to monies paid to another team as part of a transfer.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

If you are talking about the Special Discovery Players, idk if you can convert a DP to a Special Discovery Player or if it is worth doing with a transfer fee this high. Would really wreck all of our TAM.

Much better to drink our medicine right now and get his whole fee off the books after this season, before buying him down to sign a new DP.