NYCFC Players Wanted Thread

SoupInNYC said:
Agree with the parts that I did not include here, but I still think a total "cap-free" hit for homegrown players would still lead to it. There could be the possibility that PA wants to leave for TY, but TX is able to offer a lot more compensation because they know they won't get the cap hit for it.

Ultimately, I do agree with the not having to use a DP-slot on homegrowns that develop into special players. I think that would be a great incentive for teams to hold on to these guys and would really help further the development of this league. At some point though, there needs to be a cap-hit. I get why MLS provides relief when guys first come into the league as homegrowns, but think after 1-3 years, that relief should either disappear, or start to diminish.
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Yeah, I have no problem with some sort of minor Cap Hit like what adam (I think it was him) suggested.

Doesn't basketball have something like this exemption, where a player they drafted can stay with the org indefinitely, while getting new contracts, that doesn't ultimately kill their team salary number - or am I imagining that?
 
Ulrich said:
Doesn't basketball have something like this exemption, where a player they drafted can stay with the org indefinitely, while getting new contracts, that doesn't ultimately kill their team salary number - or am I imagining that?
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I don't know if it's been changed in the last few years I haven't been paying attention. But the NBA has long had what is known as the Larry Bird rule. It's not just for drafted players. It does let you go over the cap to retain a player already on your roster. But it still has cap ramifications. EG: You sign or draft great player when he's young and pay him a lot but not top of the league. When his contract comes up he's worth a lot more. You have room for $6 million a year but he can get $15mm from another team with more cap room. You can pay him $15 and go $9mm over the cap but that $9mm is on your books, If you cut another $5 million player you are stiill $4mm over and can't do anything. But the basic point holds that the NBA has cap rules that assist retaining players.
 
I don't know why people compare our club to Man City. They have a stated goal of winning a UCL.

I don't know what our stated goal is here, to be honest. They certainly are not running NYCFC like they run MCFC. I think, long term, the approach is most similar to FC Dallas in their eyes. They want the best Academy in MLS and expect to spend money there.
 
Ulrich said:
Yeah, I have no problem with some sort of minor Cap Hit like what adam (I think it was him) suggested.

Doesn't basketball have something like this exemption, where a player they drafted can stay with the org indefinitely, while getting new contracts, that doesn't ultimately kill their team salary number - or am I imagining that?
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Was that me? I can't keep track. But I'll take the shout out :)
 
Kjbert said:
I don't know why people compare our club to Man City. They have a stated goal of winning a UCL.

I don't know what our stated goal is here, to be honest. They certainly are not running NYCFC like they run MCFC. I think, long term, the approach is most similar to FC Dallas in their eyes. They want the best Academy in MLS and expect to spend money there.
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Comparing any team in MLS to ManCity is absurd. That said, we have the second most expensive payroll in MLS, and with quite a distance from #3. Our payroll, if you consider base salaries, almost triples that of NYRB or Dallas, to mention two successful, stable franchises. So in that sense, we are kinda the ManCity or ManU of this league. If our long term goal is to use academy products as our spine, and not splash in big names, great. But that would go against the grain of our short history. And we clearly play the possession game that characterizes ManCity.
 
Midas Mulligan said:
A net spend of almost 120 million pounds more than the next highest PL team over the last two. Posted this in the PL thread, but works here, too.

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In fairness, the net spend figure always looks bad for MCFC but if you look at actual money spent it's a lot closer to the likes of Chelsea and United. The difference between those two clubs and MCFC is that MCFC are pretty awful at selling players - they tend to hold players a little bit too long, until they prove themselves to not be suited to the job, and then when they try to sell them every potential buyer knows they are desperate and extorts those players for a song. The number of players MCFC has ended up agreeing to send on loan to Serie A clubs on loan-to-buy deals, and then found that the loaning club either terminates the deal after the year to avoid paying a fee or asks to extend the loan by another year is just silly really. It says it all that MCFC have only sold six players for more than £10m in their history, and two of those were more than five years ago.

Ulrich said:
Is MCfC self sufficient or are they still suckling at the proverbial teat?
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They're self-sufficient. £20m profit last season, despite their transfer spending.

sundance said:
Do they? I'm genuinely asking—I've only recently started to pay attention to academy goings-on, and I don't have a sense yet of the club's level of investment.
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Yeah, they do. It's part of CFG's ethos that they want people to recognise that, for them, they treat a club from top to bottom, from youngest to oldest, as part of one single, cohesive unit. All of the academy teams are expected to play the same kind of football as the senior teams in order that youths feel like their development is one direct path to the senior team. They've always had a real focus on making their youth academies operate like small versions of the main team, and entirely deliberate that they do things like pointing out to their academy players that each time they graduate up a level they literally (geographically as well as metaphorically) are being moved one training pitch closer to the senior team's pitch.

Given all of that, it goes without saying that a large part of this is that they also invest heavily in the standard of coaching they give their youths, as well as (where possible) in how and where they recruit to the academy. Coaches will say the usual stuff about experience being more important to a youth team than results, but CFG really do have the ambition of winning every youth title if they can.
 
Kjbert said:
They want the best Academy in MLS and expect to spend money there.
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sundance said:
Do they? I'm genuinely asking—I've only recently started to pay attention to academy goings-on, and I don't have a sense yet of the club's level of investment.
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To be fair, it's hard to know what the long term strategy is. It takes time to build an academy and have it stock the senior team with players. Until that starts to happen, it makes all the sense in the world to splash cash on elite DPs.

What will the academy look like in 5-10 years? Will they still be paying top dollar for DPs at that point? It's hard to know, and the answer will reflect what the long term vision really is.

I hope they do intend to build the best academy in MLS; it is one of the best ways to gain an advantage in a sharply salary capped league. Of course, the other way is to spend on DPs.

My hope is that we more closely resemble our other sister club, the Yankees. In their best years, they build a solid squad from their minor league teams and supplement that by signing top free agents and spending more than everyone else. That's how you become an elite team in your league and consistently play in the post season while being capable of establishing a multi-year dynasty - you both build from within and acquire from without.
 
So MCFC has been hit with a 2 year academy ban, so do you think we could get some of the academy players they want to make sure stay within the CFG system while they can't sign them?
 
Alex Da Silva said:
So MCFC has been hit with a 2 year academy ban, so do you think we could get some of the academy players they want to make sure stay within the CFG system while they can't sign them?
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I don't see the connection. Per the Premier League's statement, quoted below, City is temporarily banned from signing to its academy youths who are registered with another club. The ban doesn't operate, as your statement implies, to prevent City from signing current members of the academy to the first team.

So, if NYCFC were to have any part in "working around" the ban, it would be by signing an underage player out from a non-City EPL academy. I guess it could happen, but it seems like a pretty steep hill to climb—more trouble than it's worth, really, unless NYC want the player long term for ourselves.
Manchester City . . . will be prohibited from registering any academy players in the under-10 to under-18 age range who have been registered with a Premier League or EFL club in the preceding 18 months
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http://www.mcfcwatch.com/2017/05/05...year-transfer-ban-on-signing-academy-players/
 
Technically the ban only stops them signing players from Premier League and Championship clubs, and the second year of the ban only happens if they are found guilty of the same offence a second time. There's still no restriction on them signing youths from foreign countries, so it's not likely to have a huge impact honestly. Certainly nothing that would impact other CFG clubs.
 
Kjbert said:
I'll take it. Very good point by you. Maybe he wasn't an either/or with Maxi but an either/or with Wallace.
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Definitely not Wallace. Ruidiaz is a short, sneaky poacher. He doesn't play any other position except forward. Golden boot of the Liga MX that just finished playing with Morelia. Would have fit a pattern of signing short, fast, technical players
 
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