Provide your ranking of the men who have coached NYC from best to worst.
Offseason Fun - Rank the Coaches
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For me, this is mostly vibes and memory based. I have not gone back and crunched any numbers. Because of that methodology, I have high confidence in its accuracy.
1. Dome Torrent
2. Patrick Vieira
3. Pascal Jansen
4. Ronny Diela
5. Nick Cushing
6. Jason Kreis
1. Dome Torrent
2. Patrick Vieira
3. Pascal Jansen
4. Ronny Diela
5. Nick Cushing
6. Jason Kreis
Dome
Deila
Jansen
Vieira
Kries
Cushing
Dome took Vieira’s base and made it incredible. Deila is second only for winning the cup. He probably should be below Jansen in my mind.
Jansen with Miami games excluded turned Cushing POS system into something worthy of value and had me thinking “why not us?!”
Vieira implemented the city way into this team and really gave the ground work for the team identity. But he also gave us the Red Bull Wedding due to his stubbornness. Jason had some fun from Villa and Pirlo. But overall couldn’t do anything with RSL’s B team roster.
Cushing was never all that fun. Just seemed like Santi carrying the entire offense on his back in a bad way.
Deila
Jansen
Vieira
Kries
Cushing
Dome took Vieira’s base and made it incredible. Deila is second only for winning the cup. He probably should be below Jansen in my mind.
Jansen with Miami games excluded turned Cushing POS system into something worthy of value and had me thinking “why not us?!”
Vieira implemented the city way into this team and really gave the ground work for the team identity. But he also gave us the Red Bull Wedding due to his stubbornness. Jason had some fun from Villa and Pirlo. But overall couldn’t do anything with RSL’s B team roster.
Cushing was never all that fun. Just seemed like Santi carrying the entire offense on his back in a bad way.
This is mainly vibes and my fondness when I hear their name...
1. The Pretty Pineapple
2. Jansen
3. Deila (cup)
4. Cushing
5. Vieira
6. Kreis
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If we did this with goalkeepers it would be
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Saunders
1. The Pretty Pineapple
2. Jansen
3. Deila (cup)
4. Cushing
5. Vieira
6. Kreis
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If we did this with goalkeepers it would be
*Some combination of keepers*
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Saunders
Head
1. Dome
2. Deila (That 2022 season would have been perfect if he and Taty stayed)
3. Jansen
4. Vieira
5. Cushing
6. Kreis
Heart
1. Deila (Won the MLS Cup for us, can't beat that)
2. Dome (Only manager I met in the city random, twice!)
3. Cushing (Nicest man in the manager box)
4. Jansen
5. Vieira
6. Kreis
1. Dome
2. Deila (That 2022 season would have been perfect if he and Taty stayed)
3. Jansen
4. Vieira
5. Cushing
6. Kreis
Heart
1. Deila (Won the MLS Cup for us, can't beat that)
2. Dome (Only manager I met in the city random, twice!)
3. Cushing (Nicest man in the manager box)
4. Jansen
5. Vieira
6. Kreis
Vieira
Jansen
Delia
Dome
Cushing
Kries
It's fun how varied these are.
IMO, Vieira laid the foundation and drilled the quick passing system into the core of the team that led to our subsequent success. Play fast, pass, and move, and play from the back with no fear, knowing sometimes you will get caught out, and that's okay. Every player who went through the Vieira years learned the system; he drilled it to death. Dome and Deila made some essential refinements, but I don't think their success is possible without Vieira teaching a whole team to play the cfg way.
As the team has turned over and the Veirea core has been replaced, our style has faded along with our ability to score more than a goal per game. Guys dribble into doubles, we can't break down a low block, and those days of lightning-fast triangles have gone away.
For me, Saunders beats Barrazza, the driving rebound machine, ten times out of ten.
Jansen
Delia
Dome
Cushing
Kries
It's fun how varied these are.
IMO, Vieira laid the foundation and drilled the quick passing system into the core of the team that led to our subsequent success. Play fast, pass, and move, and play from the back with no fear, knowing sometimes you will get caught out, and that's okay. Every player who went through the Vieira years learned the system; he drilled it to death. Dome and Deila made some essential refinements, but I don't think their success is possible without Vieira teaching a whole team to play the cfg way.
As the team has turned over and the Veirea core has been replaced, our style has faded along with our ability to score more than a goal per game. Guys dribble into doubles, we can't break down a low block, and those days of lightning-fast triangles have gone away.
For me, Saunders beats Barrazza, the driving rebound machine, ten times out of ten.
- Janssen. Solid guy, kind of boring in the best way, competent.
- Cushing. Took all the shit for a crap roster and never complained about it. Won Campeones Cup. Won more playoff rounds than he lost. 4-1-1 against Red Bulls.
- Deila. Nearly naked pushups. Some of the worst coaching luck in regular season NYCFC history. Some of the best in the 2021 playoffs between the Union Covid outbreak and winning multiple spot kick shootouts.
- Vieira. Took disordered boring chaos and built a team identity. Ruined 2018 with an over long and distracting job search and leaving midseason.
- Kreis. He didn't just say be the dick. He lived it. Respect.
- Dome. Whiny bitch. Destroyed the best start in club history in 2018. Gets credit for Heber's top 3 MLS all time scoring effectiveness rate by non-Messi players. Confused everyone with mistranslated pineapple Yoda-level bullshit nonsense.
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Is anyone going to put up a 2026 prediction thread? Now is the time.
I don't think we've hd one for 3-4 years now. I think anyone who wants to take up the mantle should feel free to do so.
My gripe is that we haven't had a coach stick around long enough to really "own" the team. Deila won a cup, but he also had access to our best roster, a large chunk of which was brought in prior to his arrival.
Vieira had some good runs, but didn't deliver anything meaningful and left mid season.
Dome was an interesting time, but he was effectively an interim coach in the end.
Cushing had a bad roster, but I'm not convinced he it mattered, he just wasn't the right guy.
I want to see a manager come in, take part in shaping the roster and developing some players, and have sustained success before taking off.
Vieira had some good runs, but didn't deliver anything meaningful and left mid season.
Dome was an interesting time, but he was effectively an interim coach in the end.
Cushing had a bad roster, but I'm not convinced he it mattered, he just wasn't the right guy.
I want to see a manager come in, take part in shaping the roster and developing some players, and have sustained success before taking off.
How many years would Pascal have to stay to qualify?
I would like to have a 5-year coach. An MLS cup would be appreciated, but too random to insist upon. An excellent 5-year run would include:
- finish top 10% in the combined table at least once (currently that's top 3)
- finish top 20% three times inclusive of the top 10% year
- never drop below top third of the league
- a Shield would be ideal but not required
Overall NYC has 2 top 10% finishes, another 2 top 20%, another 4 in the top third, 1 middle, and 2 bottom.
2015 bottom third
2016 top 20%
2017 top 10%
2018 top third
2019 top 10%
2020 top third
2021 top third
2022 top 20%
2023 bottom third
2024 middle third
2025 top third
I'm not sure how many years it would take, but I know it would be an arbitrary number based upon my feelings.
It would definitely be several years, a minimum of four. If he can develop a couple of younger players into major contributors (like Ojeda and Reid) and then go on a 3 or 4 year run of being bonafide Cup contenders (not sneaking into the playoffs and pulling out an upset or two to get close, but legitimate contenders), that would qualify.
Good stuff. I wonder how many other Clubs have hit this target recently.
The key is to keep hanging around toward the top of the table. Do that, and occasionally things will break your way and you take home some silver.
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