Stadium Discussion

What Will Be The Name Of The New Home?

  • Etihad Stadium

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • Etihad Park

    Votes: 11 45.8%
  • Etihad Field

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Etihad Arena

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • Etihad Bowl

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    24
At this point, someone slimy enough in NYCFC’s camp has to meet Adams and find out what it takes to get this done, and then do it. Enough already.

whether it is locking the parties in a room, giving the Yanks incentives to bought out, whatever. He started in Jan, it’s May already. Don’t tell me Adams is too busy shilling for credit cards by attending d-list galas to listen to this.
 
I know this has been beaten to death, but I cannot and do not believe that site plan was killed over a minimum parking spot guarantee. I mean I believe the reporting, but it's just ridiculous. On the other hand, sometimes you have situations where parties believe they cannot compromise any further and everyone walks away from a deal that would have been beneficial to everyone involved.

i agree. Too much money - the Stadium is part of a $1B development deal in one of the most blighted areas of the Bronx. No way that this shouldn’t happen no matter how much both sides posture about it.
 
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At this point, someone slimy enough in NYCFC’s camp has to meet Adams and find out what it takes to get this done, and then do it. Enough already.

whether it is locking the parties in a room, giving the Yanks incentives to bought out, whatever. He started in Jan, it’s May already. Don’t tell me Adams is too busy shilling for credit cards by attending d-list galas to listen to this.

Mayor Adams is currently out of the office and is either a) holding a press conference or b) being fitted for a new suit.
 
What do the Yankees want out of this deal?

Levine is a scumbag. He just wants a payout on something. What is it
That's what I'm thinking, too. They didn't roll a hand grenade into the room last summer over parking. It's something else.

Why they don't make it clear is beyond me. After all, there's a lot of money on the line and some extremely well-capitalized parties involved; they might be able to get what they want just for the asking. It must be something pretty egregious if they don't want it to become public.

It's also possible they're content for things to remain as they are. I can't imagine why, but there it is.
 
Cmon people this is fantastic news! Willets/FMCP area is by far the ideal location. Bronx was never a good choice. Good riddance to those bad vibes over in Yankeeland!

what is good news? that they are looking at several locations? this isn't news. it's the status quo for the last 8 years.
 
Unfortunately NYCFC and possibly the developers are the only ones who have time constraints to get a deal done*, both the city and Yankees don’t have a deadline so they will try to get their best deals. So until one other party develops a deadline or some motivation to settle we will be wandering gnomes.

*I am still trying to figure if the deal with the GAL site is under a time constraint to be complete or both parties can walk away from it. I think it was in 2019 that the biding agreement by Madd and Hoy Cosntruction to buy the building was announced by the Times.
 
Unfortunately NYCFC and possibly the developers are the only ones who have time constraints to get a deal done*, both the city and Yankees don’t have a deadline so they will try to get their best deals. So until one other party develops a deadline or some motivation to settle we will be wandering gnomes.

*I am still trying to figure if the deal with the GAL site is under a time constraint to be complete or both parties can walk away from it. I think it was in 2019 that the biding agreement by Madd and Hoy Cosntruction to buy the building was announced by the Times.
No pressure, no stadium. Period.
 
You seem very definitive about that.
It seems pretty clear at this point. For whatever reason, the Yankees just don't seem to be in any hurry to see us in a stadium of our own. I'm still not sure exactly why, or what their real motive was for dynamiting the most recent GAL proposal. But the plain truth is they show no interest in getting it done.

So, for my money they're not going to do anything unless they're pressured into doing it. If the opposite were true, they would have been straining to make the GAL site work rather than going out of their way to work against it.

As to any other possible locations or partners, the pressure has to be of a more positive kind: concerted action by the team to align political, business and community interests. How much of that is happening behind the scenes, I don't know. I certainly don't think the team has done nearly enough to leverage the fan base.

In any event, I've laid out a bunch of possible avenues above, so I'll leave it at that.

By the way, we're not the only ones. Everton has been trying to find a location to build a replacement for Goodison Park for over a decade, and they've been running into one roadblock after another. It happens. Building in dense urban environments is a challenge.

The difference there is how open the club has been about the potential new locations and the process for securing them. Their supporters aren't in the position of constantly having to guess about what's going on.

Must be nice.
 
I know this has been beaten to death, but I cannot and do not believe that site plan was killed over a minimum parking spot guarantee. I mean I believe the reporting, but it's just ridiculous. On the other hand, sometimes you have situations where parties believe they cannot compromise any further and everyone walks away from a deal that would have been beneficial to everyone involved.
I understand why it's hard to believe (and I also realize that I've reported this as well, so perhaps there is some bias here on my part), but I can't see it being anything else.

Levine seems to think that the Yankees need a shit ton of parking spots and doesn't want to do away with that. I think he sees there are still 1-2 games every year where the required parking exceeds the new amount the Yankees would have coming out of this and he doesn't want to give that up. He doesn't strike me as a guy who would welcome behavioral changes that may just have to happen if this were to occur (i.e., less people drive and take transit, or some people will have to park further away than ideal, or some people have to do a combo of drive/transit).

Now, the one item in particular that I am really struggling with, and perhaps this goes in the direction of your thought, is this should easily be able to be settled with dollars. I'm not sure what exactly that amount would be and perhaps I don't fully comprehend the magnitude of what that amount would be, but here is how I see it:
  • Yankees say they need a required number of parking spots and want that in the arrangement.
  • Bondholders (Nuveen) say that the original agreement doesn't include a required number of parking spots (except for 600 spots, that required number isn't contested), just that certain lots would be made available
  • Nuveen says that including a required number of parking spots would represent a new right and as the bondholders would be "owning" this New Company, that they aren't going to give that.
  • I'm assuming they don't want to give up that new right because of financial interests.
So why doesn't Maddd/NYCFC then just pay whatever amount of money it is to Nuveen (on top of the $46.25m, which was originally $52.5m) that addresses the concerns of giving up this new right.

I would think whatever that additional payment is, would be less costs than continuing on with additional lobbyists, consultants, etc. searching for other sites alone. Not even mentioning the continued loss of goodwill among fans, potential delayed home opening start, etc.

I will add one more thing, I have continued to attend the CB4 meetings and its clear that they still want this to happen. The Housing and Land Use chair during the last meeting talked about how close they were to getting all this development, they hope the developers come back to the table, etc. etc. and added that they have heard nothing for months.
 
I understand why it's hard to believe (and I also realize that I've reported this as well, so perhaps there is some bias here on my part), but I can't see it being anything else.

Levine seems to think that the Yankees need a shit ton of parking spots and doesn't want to do away with that. I think he sees there are still 1-2 games every year where the required parking exceeds the new amount the Yankees would have coming out of this and he doesn't want to give that up. He doesn't strike me as a guy who would welcome behavioral changes that may just have to happen if this were to occur (i.e., less people drive and take transit, or some people will have to park further away than ideal, or some people have to do a combo of drive/transit).

Now, the one item in particular that I am really struggling with, and perhaps this goes in the direction of your thought, is this should easily be able to be settled with dollars. I'm not sure what exactly that amount would be and perhaps I don't fully comprehend the magnitude of what that amount would be, but here is how I see it:
  • Yankees say they need a required number of parking spots and want that in the arrangement.
  • Bondholders (Nuveen) say that the original agreement doesn't include a required number of parking spots (except for 600 spots, that required number isn't contested), just that certain lots would be made available
  • Nuveen says that including a required number of parking spots would represent a new right and as the bondholders would be "owning" this New Company, that they aren't going to give that.
  • I'm assuming they don't want to give up that new right because of financial interests.
So why doesn't Maddd/NYCFC then just pay whatever amount of money it is to Nuveen (on top of the $46.25m, which was originally $52.5m) that addresses the concerns of giving up this new right.

I would think whatever that additional payment is, would be less costs than continuing on with additional lobbyists, consultants, etc. searching for other sites alone. Not even mentioning the continued loss of goodwill among fans, potential delayed home opening start, etc.

I will add one more thing, I have continued to attend the CB4 meetings and its clear that they still want this to happen. The Housing and Land Use chair during the last meeting talked about how close they were to getting all this development, they hope the developers come back to the table, etc. etc. and added that they have heard nothing for months.
You put a lot of flesh on what I briefly addressed. It makes too much sense. Too many parties want it. It should be solvable with dollars. Seemingly nobody opposes it,* or wants the space for an alternative use. But it's stalled.

* Once any stadium is announced both actual and faked local opposition will spring up, plus general anti-development, pro-environment activists and others who will oppose as a way to get bought off. But none of those are in play yet.
 
I understand why it's hard to believe (and I also realize that I've reported this as well, so perhaps there is some bias here on my part), but I can't see it being anything else.

Levine seems to think that the Yankees need a shit ton of parking spots and doesn't want to do away with that. I think he sees there are still 1-2 games every year where the required parking exceeds the new amount the Yankees would have coming out of this and he doesn't want to give that up. He doesn't strike me as a guy who would welcome behavioral changes that may just have to happen if this were to occur (i.e., less people drive and take transit, or some people will have to park further away than ideal, or some people have to do a combo of drive/transit).

Now, the one item in particular that I am really struggling with, and perhaps this goes in the direction of your thought, is this should easily be able to be settled with dollars. I'm not sure what exactly that amount would be and perhaps I don't fully comprehend the magnitude of what that amount would be, but here is how I see it:
  • Yankees say they need a required number of parking spots and want that in the arrangement.
  • Bondholders (Nuveen) say that the original agreement doesn't include a required number of parking spots (except for 600 spots, that required number isn't contested), just that certain lots would be made available
  • Nuveen says that including a required number of parking spots would represent a new right and as the bondholders would be "owning" this New Company, that they aren't going to give that.
  • I'm assuming they don't want to give up that new right because of financial interests.
So why doesn't Maddd/NYCFC then just pay whatever amount of money it is to Nuveen (on top of the $46.25m, which was originally $52.5m) that addresses the concerns of giving up this new right.

I would think whatever that additional payment is, would be less costs than continuing on with additional lobbyists, consultants, etc. searching for other sites alone. Not even mentioning the continued loss of goodwill among fans, potential delayed home opening start, etc.

I will add one more thing, I have continued to attend the CB4 meetings and its clear that they still want this to happen. The Housing and Land Use chair during the last meeting talked about how close they were to getting all this development, they hope the developers come back to the table, etc. etc. and added that they have heard nothing for months.
And I'm back to wondering why we have to guess at what's happening. And why no one had this figured out until the last moment. And how they could have come up with the severance (which was very clever) without this being resolved first. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

I keep thinking of that interview with Brad Sims on YES back in October 2020: https://fb.watch/c_C954uteh/

That's what, seven or eight months before the CB4 vote. No one knew this was a problem then?

Drives me nuts. I tell you how bad it is -- take a look at my profile pic. I'm only 23.