Not when you have billions tied into infrastructure. When your ROE is slashed, and you have a state to support, glamour projects start to see less money. Even still, they got bajillions, so they can and will build a stadium!
Stadium Discussion
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I'm a bit dissapointed and losing some confidence in this being stadium related. I was expecting the flood gates to kind of open up a little bit, such as reports from the Times/Post adding some value to this rumor. It's only been two days, but still it's been silent since the initial report surfaced. Obviously, I was not expecting any official word anytime soon, but I was hoping for some reputable local reporter to tweet "i'm hearing of some movement re: NYCFC stadium development" or some other hints.
It is an interesting dilemma as to what would be the perfect capacity for a new stadium. A first season doesn't offer an appropriate gauge for shiny-new-toy reasons. There will also be ebbs and flows down the road based upon team successes and failures, good seasons and bad seasons, player signings, the economy, etc. There are also the stadium capacity psychology issues that some have discussed on here (e.g., do you get better attendance results with a smaller capacity selling out more often, or a larger capacity more difficult to sell-out?). City space dimensions will also be a tremendous consideration/hamper. I'm not sure what the right answer is - I think 25k (maybe 30k) sounds about right to address attendance flux issues - but hopefully there are smarter people than me who will appropriately forecast the right number.
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I don't recall, but that proposal was floated long before the team had any concrete numbers on attendance. Based on the dismal RB attendance for the last 20 years, having 25K seats would have been more than enough..... and this is why nothing should ever be based on that underachieving club.
At the very least, construction will need to be for 35K with the ability to expand another 5-10K. Otherwise, this entire endeavor searching for a feasible site will be rehashed in another 20 years.
Sometimes I feel like the world is crazy when capacity starts being discussed. 35k minimum???
Our median attendance last season was 27,533. We hit 35k twice, 30k five times, and 25k 13 times (of 17 home games).
I understand the fear of missing out on a 40k+ game once or twice a year, and how awesome that would be, but I would much rather have *every* game feel like a packed house.
The LA Galaxy got teased for their attendance last year because they only sold out 8 of their 17 games.
I know it's arbitrary, but I really think we should be targeting a 50%+ sellout rate at the *minimum.* And that means an absolute max of 27,000 seats. 25k might be the sweetspot, which would have sold out 13 of 17 games last year.
Of course it should be expandable, but let's scale it up as we go. I do *not* want to see empty seats 75% or more of the time.
Our median attendance last season was 27,533. We hit 35k twice, 30k five times, and 25k 13 times (of 17 home games).
I understand the fear of missing out on a 40k+ game once or twice a year, and how awesome that would be, but I would much rather have *every* game feel like a packed house.
The LA Galaxy got teased for their attendance last year because they only sold out 8 of their 17 games.
I know it's arbitrary, but I really think we should be targeting a 50%+ sellout rate at the *minimum.* And that means an absolute max of 27,000 seats. 25k might be the sweetspot, which would have sold out 13 of 17 games last year.
Of course it should be expandable, but let's scale it up as we go. I do *not* want to see empty seats 75% or more of the time.
I saw this last time and i decided to skip it, but i see it again and wanted to chime in.
1st: There is a way to compare infinite sets its called cardinality. Not sure it exactly applies here as you still have infinite numbers just each unit is 10 to 3 in size. But I think you were referring the cash generated per barrel. So I would say in those terms 30 x Infinity does not equal 100 x Infinity. You have substantially more cash in the second set.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinality
2nd: There is not an infinite supply of oil in the world. It is a relatively finite resource. (It is technically renewable, but not in a convenient time frame. I.e. millions of years.) I think the estimates are Saudi Arabia has ~60 years of proven reserves if it continues to pump at current rates. So when you tell them for the next 60 years you can get $30 a barrel vs $100 yea its going to go into their strategic planning on what they want to spend their money on, because its not an infinite source of cash.
I don't think 35K is a reach at all. First season numbers, with a crappy team, in a baseball stadium, with multiple midweek games, were phenomenal. Season ticket sales are already ahead of last year at this time. A new stadium won't be built in less than 3 years, and that's plenty of time to grow the brand. The bump of having a unique home stadium will take place, throw in that attending games will become more en vogue in the city considering the affordability of it, and hopefully by then the Patrick Vieira brand of soccer will have made the team a winner of one or more competitions. This entire stadium process is a headache for NYCFC - they are not going to want to leave anything on the table that can be built in the first go-around.
I think that's a lot of wishful thinking. Many teams saw their attendance numbers go down after their first year.
I also think, if we are still talking Pier 40 here, that that in itself would attract a ton more casual/non-soccer fans to go to games. Especially considering the affordability of it.
This year will be a real showing of what our future attendance numbers will look like. The first year is always going to have a large turnout. New team, new players, star signings always brings a crowd. Moving forward our star players will be here after their first year and not have that boost. The only variable is how well we do and how entertaining our soccer is. MLS Cups and big wins will boost.
It may be smart waiting to find a location for a stadium. What's the point of a 25K when there's a waiting list for tickets and CFG is missing money. Know you can sell out 30K, maybe 35K, and wait for that better, larger stadium.
It may be smart waiting to find a location for a stadium. What's the point of a 25K when there's a waiting list for tickets and CFG is missing money. Know you can sell out 30K, maybe 35K, and wait for that better, larger stadium.
They will raise the prices no matter where they build. Might even be a little more of a raise for pier 40. But I still think it will be a deal compared to other sports franchises in the area. And pier 40 resale value if you needed to subsidize would be higher then any other location. (Except maybe the pipe dream MSG, nah actually I think with the views in the summer Pier 40 is more valuable.)
Probably have to purchase that when we purchase our brick, or whatever it is with our name on it, at the new stadium.
Seriously though, yes I bet we'll have to purchase it. Yes, it'll be a bunch of BS. And yes, we'll all do it because we'd be idiots not to.
Not sure an MLS team has a cache to pull the PSL BS on us. We would be the first team in the entire league to do so.
What if the PSL included the rights to our seats for any soccer event in the stadium. (If we paid for the ticket of course, but 1st right of refusal)?
Does NYCFC have the jurisdiction to award tickets for non-NYCFC events though? I'm not sure, but I find it highly unlikely we will be getting PSL's; a substantial prince increase is without question going to happen though.
I don't think that PSL will be part of the new stadium ticket renewals/sales. Once of the main reasons of PSL is to generate monies in the construction of a new stadium. In Atlanta, buyers for the Falcons need to buy a PSL but AUFC fans do not. CFG is flushed with cash, I don't think we need to worry.
I've never received any information from NYCFC about other events (non-Yankee games) at Yankee Stadium including pre-purchase or discounts to those events (Pinstripe Bowl, Concerts, etc.) which I believe was stated as part of being a City Member (or at least in Legends seats). I suppose that Yankees season ticket holders do receive such notification and as a season ticket holder in an NYCFC stadium we would receive rights to other events, though with CONCACAF and FIFA, I doubt that.
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