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[Vallos]

How the actual fuck is a half-hearted, two-way shoving match with an incidental brush in the cheek a straight red on Jones (but nothing on the guy who instigated it, Pareda), but a fucking studs first karate kick at Wood's head is a yellow (again, by Pareda).

Apparently, there was some rules changes taken into affect on June 1st. Copa America, along with the Euros are the first two tournaments we'll see these rules being enforced.

http://www.fifa.com/development/education-and-technical/referees/laws-of-the-game.html

Laws of the Game, section 12 - Fouls and Misconduct - page 88:

Violent Conduct

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made. In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent unless the force used was negligible.

I believe they caught him going for the face, which he did. However, the force used was negligible, because he actually didn't make contact. So the law seems contradictory.

 

[Vallos]

Brooks can play in any league for any team - his value is skyrocketing from this tournament.

Brooks was the one I was dreading getting a yellow. He is indispensable.

 

[Ulrich]

Apparently, there was some rules changes taken into affect on June 1st. Copa America, along with the Euros are the first two tournaments we'll see these rules being enforced.

http://www.fifa.com/development/education-and-technical/referees/laws-of-the-game.html

Laws of the Game, section 12 - Fouls and Misconduct - page 88:

Violent Conduct

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made. In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent unless the force used was negligible.

I believe they caught him going for the face, which he did. However, the force used was negligible, because he actually didn't make contact. So the law seems contradictory.

The Fix was in with that. Had he made contact then fine, but he didn't. Considering what the ref allowed Ecuador to get away with physically, that red really was a slap in the face. The game was completely over if the US was up 11v10 and everybody knew it.

 

[Vallos]

It was certainly tame. Still though, Jones should have known better, considering we had the game in the bag. Just walk away and have a laugh at their expense.

 

[mgarbowski]

I believe they caught him going for the face, which he did. However, the force used was negligible, because he actually didn't make contact. So the law seems contradictory.

The Fix was in with that. Had he made contact then fine, but he didn't.

Were you guys watching a different game?

 

[Vallos]

There was another angle behind the Ecuadorian player, that showed no contact. The Ecuadorian was able to swat Jones' arm before he made contact. Regardless, the law states even with no contact, it is considered violent conduct.

 

[Ulrich]

Were you guys watching a different game?
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Never saw that clip. The replay I saw had his hand open moving towards the face.

If he's going strike the guy and get a red, then lay him out. However I prefer him not to be involved at all.

 

[Ulrich]

There was another angle behind the Ecuadorian player, that showed no contact. The Ecuadorian was able to swat Jones' arm before he made contact. Regardless, the law states even with no contact, it is considered violent conduct.

That was the replay I had seen

 

[mgarbowski]

To be sure, it was barely anything. The photos I posted, while clearly showing contact, also make it seem worse than it was. But he definitely did make contact and the rule applies. Whether the rule is a good idea or is evenly applied are separate questions.

 

[mgarbowski]

Did anyone get a look at what Wood did to get his yellow? They missed it live because they were still reviewing the incident that led to Jones' red and we just saw the end of it, which looked like it might have been a fair yellow but that's a surmise. They never went back and replayed it either that I noticed.

 

[Ulrich]

Did anyone get a look at what Wood did to get his yellow? They missed it live because they were still reviewing the incident that led to Jones' red and we just saw the end of it, which looked like it might have been a fair yellow but that's a surmise. They never went back and replayed it either that I noticed.

I can't remember if his was for dissent or a lazy challenge being tired.... there were too many cards flying at that time.

Not even sure the MLS app has it correct since it lists Valencia's second yellow/red as being for an "Argument" when in actuality he hacked the legs out of our player. Hell, maybe the Ref got it all wrong in his log?

 

[mgarbowski]

I can't remember if his was for dissent or a lazy challenge being tired.... there were too many cards flying at that time.

Not even sure the MLS app has it correct since it lists Valencia's second yellow/red as being for an "Argument" when in actuality he hacked the legs out of our player. Hell, maybe the Ref got it all wrong in his log?

You could see he somehow took the legs out from someone. Whether it was nasty, not too bad or a flop is what I can't say because you only see the guy tumbling over kind of backwards. There was not much argument so probably legit but I would like to have seen it.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Looks like wood will carry the mantle from Dempsey and Jones of being hot heads

 

[RockShrimp]

That whole kerfuffle was absurd. The ref didn't even make sure both Jones and Valencia were off the field before he let the game restart. Couldn't see much, but my impression was the team was caught off guard by the restart and made a stupid challenge to stop it again.

The flurry of yellows in the second half seemed like a last ditch effort to maintain control, but he honestly wasn't in control at all... Didn't make sure the Ecuadorian coach was off the field either. IMHO the only reason Pareda got a yellow instead of a red was because he didn't want to be responsible for making them go down to 9 men.

Did anyone get a look at what Wood did to get his yellow? They missed it live because they were still reviewing the incident that led to Jones' red and we just saw the end of it, which looked like it might have been a fair yellow but that's a surmise. They never went back and replayed it either that I noticed.

 

[Ulrich]

The flurry of yellows in the second half seemed like a last ditch effort to maintain control, but he honestly wasn't in control at all... Didn't make sure the Ecuadorian coach was off the field either. IMHO the only reason Pareda got a yellow instead of a red was because he didn't want to be responsible for making them go down to 9 men.

I had the EXACT same thought when it happened. If they had been reduced to 9 (8 field players), then there was no way in hell they'd have mounted a comeback attempt because the field was too large for them to cover in what would have then become a game of keep away. That was the Ref influencing the outcome of the game.

 

[SoupInNYC]

That whole kerfuffle was absurd. The ref didn't even make sure both Jones and Valencia were off the field before he let the game restart. Couldn't see much, but my impression was the team was caught off guard by the restart and made a stupid challenge to stop it again.

This so much. Play started back up with Jones still walking off the field. Another foul was called that stopped play. Both Ecuador and US players motioned at the ref and Jones still being on the field. Ref looked over, and then allowed Ecuador the quick restart.

 

[Albany_NYCFC]

NYCFC in da house!!!!!

 

[Albany_NYCFC]

At least 80% Colombia.

 

[Lasker]

NYCFC in da house!!!!!

Atmosphere looks great on TV. Have fun!

 

[CCMore]

Let's goooooo PERUUUUUU