2020 CCL

mgarbowski said:
My post was sort of tongue in cheek black humor, and I do think it is possible that even if there is a labor stoppage the teams could play in CCL. But I really have no idea and wouldn't predict either way in any seriousness. I think it is up to the union probably. They could take the position that their dispute is with the league and that non-league play is separate and not subject to any labor action. It possibly helps that I expect most clubs don't make any money off CCL unless they get pretty deep, if at all. It could costs clubs more money by playing. OTOH the union could take a no compromise impose-the-most-pain position and then CCL would be out. I couldn't guess better than a coin flip, and this all assumes we're dealing with a strike and not a lockout, about which I also can only guess. I suppose it is not inconceivable the players strike MLS only, then the owners lock out for CCL. We better win MLS Cup this year.
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Never going to happen. When you strike, you don't allow some players practice, play games, and get paid, and let every else sit at home not earning anything. Doubt ownership would agree either because of the competitive advantage given to those CCL teams.
 
sbrylski said:
Interesting quirk. Apparently the Eastern Conference winner has done better than the MLS Cup winner in CCL as of late. If we were to win the MLS Cup, that would be our qualifying spot so we'd drop from 5th to 8th. Luckily 8th is still Pot 1, but if it were 9th or lower, we would have a tougher CCL group if we won the MLS Cup.
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Such a kooky way of doing it. Are you sure they would be forced into the lower seed, rather than getting the highest seed the qualified for?

That is so CONCACAF-y.
 
FredMertz said:
Such a kooky way of doing it. Are you sure they would be forced into the lower seed, rather than getting the highest seed the qualified for?

That is so CONCACAF-y.
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Yeah, it's nuts. I thought CONCACAF had UEFA-style club coefficients?
 
derek_villa said:
Never going to happen. When you strike, you don't allow some players practice, play games, and get paid, and let every else sit at home not earning anything. Doubt ownership would agree either because of the competitive advantage given to those CCL teams.
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what if they play for free?
 
Gotham Gator said:
I'm not sure they reseed from year to year based on performance in the same manner they do in Europe.
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based on five year performance

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Fantazma said:
based on five year performance

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Yes, you're right. It's crazy. It's not even done by performance of the federation, but by performance of the particular slot the club occupies. Which as we have discussed makes no sense, because some clubs qualify in more than one manner.
 
I looked at the kooky draw - the most important thing is that one Liga MX club is in the #9 spot and pot 2, which is the one club that no one from pot 1 will want to draw.
 
canchon said:
I looked at the kooky draw - the most important thing is that one Liga MX club is in the #9 spot and pot 2, which is the one club that no one from pot 1 will want to draw.
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and thats leon, a team still doing real good this season.
 
the question is - will our guys start preseason earlier this year to prepare for CCL? or we just gonna wing it and do what we can?

We should have a lot of regulars back next season - if not all, so that should help with chemistry. we'll just be rusty when it comes to fitness and touch. shame that we can't sync our season up with liga MX so there isn't such a fitness disparity for these competitions.
 
moogoo said:
the question is - will our guys start preseason earlier this year to prepare for CCL? or we just gonna wing it and do what we can?

We should have a lot of regulars back next season - if not all, so that should help with chemistry. we'll just be rusty when it comes to fitness and touch. shame that we can't sync our season up with liga MX so there isn't such a fitness disparity for these competitions.
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i think CCL teams start like a week or two earlier thats it.
 
sbrylski said:
In theory. In practice, it's been the opposite.
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My take is that the current creates a salary cap situation where teams are not able to sign enough roster depth. Just look at how many times this season, we played without a full 18 and we were not even in a continental tournament. If MLS wants to play during international breaks and add fixtures like the Leagues Cup then CBA changes are going to be needed for sporting reasons.
 
UPDATED. Here are the MLS teams that qualify for CCL.
  • US Open Cup Champion - Atlanta
  • Canadian Cup Champion - Montreal
  • 1st Place in Western Conference - LAFC
  • 1st Place in Eastern Conference - NYCFC
  • MLS Cup Champion - If any of LAFC, NYCFC, Atlanta or Toronto win MLS Cup, then the final CCL spot will go to Seattle.
The 4 highest ranked teams in each conference that do not qualify for Champions League will play in the Leagues Cup in 2020.

East
Philly
Toronto
DC United
New Jersey
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New England

West
Seattle
RSL
Minnesota
LA Galaxy
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Portland

ETA: Montreal as Canadian Cup Champion
 
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Gotham Gator said:
UPDATED. Here are the 4 teams that qualify for CCL.
  • US Open Cup Champion - Atlanta
  • 1st Place in Western Conference - LAFC
  • 1st Place in Eastern Conference - NYCFC
  • MLS Cup Champion - If any of LAFC, NYCFC, Atlanta or Toronto win MLS Cup, then the final CCL spot will go to Seattle.

The 4 highest ranked teams in each conference that do not qualify for Champions League will play in the Leagues Cup in 2020.

East
Philly
Toronto
DC United
New Jersey
---
New England

West
Seattle
RSL
Minnesota
LA Galaxy
---
Portland
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We can also add that Montreal qualified for CCL out of the MLS.


ETA. Wait, if Toronto wins they don't get the MLS Cup spot? I know it belongs to the USSF, but they are an MLS team. I would think it would go like this.

Canadian Championship: MTL
USOC: ATL
West/SS: LAFC
East: NYCFC
MLS Cup: TOR

Does Toronto not quality for CCL by winning MLS Cup alone?
 
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adam said:
We can also add that Montreal qualified for CCL out of the MLS.


ETA. Wait, if Toronto wins they don't get the MLS Cup spot? I know it belongs to the USSF, but they are an MLS team. I would think it would go like this.

Canadian Championship: MTL
USOC: ATL
West/SS: LAFC
East: NYCFC
MLS Cup: TOR

Does Toronto not quality for CCL by winning MLS Cup alone?
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Correct, Canadian clubs can only get in by winning the Maple Leaf Cup. If they win MLS Cup, goes back to the table
 
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