Domènec Torrent Appointed NYCFC Head Coach (June '18) / Mutually Agree to Part Ways (November '19)

What Are Your Thoughts on Torrent as NYCFC Head Coach?

  • Quite Really Pleased

    Votes: 8 20.5%

  • Really Pleased

    Votes: 13 33.3%

  • Pleased

    Votes: 16 41.0%

  • Neither Pleased or Displeased

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Displeased

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Really Displeased

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Quite Really Displeased

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Total voters
    39
moogoo said:
I don't think I said I wish we spent more money and if it came off that way, that's not what i meant. Spending more doesn't mean you get more. THat's just the nature of the beast. A superstar player in one league may not translate to MLS for whatever reason. But, I think if it comes down to DPs or getting players in that a coach wants to build his team the way he wants to do it, I think CFG shouldn't delay or deny such requests based on money.
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I'm sort of still arguing with Dome and not just you and so to clarify: in the 1.5 years Dome has been here, NYCFC basically had discretion on how much to spend on the DP slot formerly held by David Villa. That's it. Everything else was already determined by the existing Maxi and Medina contracts and league rules. If Dome is unhappy with the result of that decision, it is very odd to frame it by complaining about the amount spent. In fact I think he is not unhappy with Mitrita but with the overall spend as constrained by the league, and that he frames his complaint as the team not spending indicates he hasn't bothered to learn even the basics of MLS roster rules.
 
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mgarbowski said:
I'm sort of still arguing with Dome and not just you and so to clarify: in the 1.5 years Dome has been here, NYCFC basically had discretion on how much to spend on the DP slot formerly held by David Villa. That's it. Everything else was already determined by the existing Maxi and Medina contracts and league rules. If Dome is unhappy with the result of that decision, it is very odd to frame it by complaining about the amount spent. In fact I think he is not unhappy with Mitrita but with the overall spend as constrained by the league, and that he frames his complaint as the team not spending indicates he hasn't bothered to learn even the basics of MLS roster rules.
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Unless the team isn’t using the discretionary TAM. That’s one other place teams can separate the rosters.
 
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mgarbowski said:
Really, the variance in DP spending is what determines who spends the most money because even the optional TAM is limited while DP spending is constrained only by the number of slots.
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mgarbowski said:
Everything else is in a very tight identical budget, whose only other variation is the optional TAM which cannot move the line nearly as much as big as DPs do.
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mgarbowski said:
NYCFC basically had discretion on how much to spend on the DP slot formerly held by David Villa.
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I hate that if you fail to repeat -- in full -- the same disclaimer, the same exception, to your main point, in every single post on the same subject and on the same day, someone jumps in and acts is if you had not been doing so all day. "Basically" here, for the third time I conveyed the same main point, is a clear call back to the disclaimer I just said explicitly twice. But I guess you can't try to be succinct at all ever:



Ulrich said:
Unless the team isn’t using the discretionary TAM. That’s one other place teams can separate the rosters.
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mgarbowski said:
First post:

Second Post:

Third Post:

I hate that if you fail to repeat -- in full -- the same disclaimer, the same exception, to your main point, in every single post on the same subject and on the same day, someone jumps in and acts is if you had not been doing so all day. "Basically" here, for the third time I conveyed the same main point, is a clear call back to the disclaimer I just said explicitly twice. But I guess you can't try to be succinct at all ever:
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You're a peach Mark. Apologies for not threading your posts every time I read them, but with the new site update, when I click on new posts button I get dropped in a thread that may or may not be where I left off reading, and I guess I just didn't have the time to go back and make sure that my non-attacking comment wasn't possibly going to offend your deep sense of reflection from your analysis.

Took you a lot of energy to berate me, and no, "Basically" is not a clear call back to the former posts that you've illuminated.
 
JayH said:
"Soccer" snobbery is our challenge. It was/is no surprise that Dome likely considers himself overqualified. He has a diamond level resume, and came to a flawed US league with weird rules, terrible officiating and a cap on spending. It was what lead to his incorrectly thinking that he had time to tinker late last season. And it has led to his thinking that it's better to get out in a hurry, even after a successful season. That sucks for us. Maybe it doesn't suck so much if we had a Cup to show for it. But we don't and it puts us in a difficult spot.

It was also the reason PV jumped. There was no chance he was an MLS lifer. In fact, there was a good chance he would not even finish out his initial contract, and he didn't.

They were/are both great coaches and did well to shape our team in the short term (or two respective short terms). But this model isn't a successful one and CFG needs to get to right/better.
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I think bringing in a new coach every couple years isn't necessarily a bad thing. Recruiting high-level talent that wants to prove itself under the CFG umbrella has brought us much better coaches than your typical MLS lifer (do we really want a return to Kreis?). And managerial turnover every few years is the norm at top clubs around the world—in fact, several of the greatest coaches in history have insisted that three years is the longest it's a good idea to stay at one club.
 
dummyrun said:
I think bringing in a new coach every couple years isn't necessarily a bad thing. Recruiting high-level talent that wants to prove itself under the CFG umbrella has brought us much better coaches than your typical MLS lifer (do we really want a return to Kreis?). And managerial turnover every few years is the norm at top clubs around the world—in fact, several of the greatest coaches in history have insisted that three years is the longest it's a good idea to stay at one club.
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You may be generally correct, and good points. But 1 or 2 two years seems to be detrimental and has been in our case. PV leaving mid-season and DT's failed attempt at tinkering resulted in a free fall last season and impacted our course. It also resulted in our having to play catch up after the beginning of this season. Dome pulled it off, and did so famously, but you don't want to have to count on that. Notwithstanding our exit this season, we have the nucleus to be a powerhouse again next season continuing with Dome. Instead, we may be commencing with a new coach, new system, new player coach chemistry, and a learning curve. Those are all unknowns. I don't want Kreis, but I also don't want a one year only Dome.
 
I don’t want Dome or Reyna gone. The caveat being if Dome doesn’t want to be here, I don’t want him in that case. So soon after an emotional loss is the wrong time for him to make such a drastic decision in my opinion.

This team knows how to play together, it was the teams best year as far as points go. We qualified for the champions league. This is a good team! Bringing in a new coach will throw everything up in the air.

If CFG want to fire Reyna over the Gio incident, that’s their prerogative, but I would have made the same decision if it were my son. We need a starting caliber left back, we need a back up for Tinnerholm and we have to replace Medina for a quality DP.

It’s the front office that needs to get their shit together.
 
hatt91 said:
I don’t want Dome or Reyna gone. The caveat being if Dome doesn’t want to be here, I don’t want him in that case. So soon after an emotional loss is the wrong time for him to make such a drastic decision in my opinion.

This team knows how to play together, it was the teams best year as far as points go. We qualified for the champions league. This is a good team! Bringing in a new coach will throw everything up in the air.

If CFG want to fire Reyna over the Gio incident, that’s their prerogative, but I would have made the same decision if it were my son. We need a starting caliber left back, we need a back up for Tinnerholm and we have to replace Medina for a quality DP.

It’s the front office that needs to get their shit together.
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Can we lay some blame on the loss at the feet of the FO?

1. Should have announced Citi from start to give Dome & team time to train on the field, like he wanted to. Instead, they got a couple hours the day before.
2. Should have sold tickets sooner to fill the stadium even more.
3. Should have had a better system for STHs to choose tickets, so friends got sit together and there were less opt outs to increase ambiance.
4. Should not have given the away supporters some of the best seats right behind the NYCFC bench.
5. Should have handed out vuvozuelas instead of rally towels to get even louder.

What am I missing?
 
I find it hard to believe that CFG suddenly woke up and realized what was happening with Gio - after it had been playing out for the last 2+ years.

If the rumors are true (big "if") then there is something else going on behind the scenes.

Claudio has done a terrific job for us - aided I am sure by the CFG scouting network. Whether we can do as well with that network and a different GM is a big question.
 
wait reyna can get fired now ? because of his son's decision to go to dortmund? all i read was tweet from a random site that im not sure is 100% true.

if dome is gone, i want this to happen ASAP, bring in new coach and be brought up to speed. roster deadlines and expansion draft is happening soon.
 
Unpopular opinion: Staying long-term New York City isn't for everyone. Maybe Dome got tired of living here and misses home. I wonder the difference between American managers in MLS sticking around compared to European/South American. I think if you dissect other leagues, you'll see many more domestic coaches than foreign because of the familiarity, the desire to stay in a place you're comfortable, etc. Maybe Dome has had his time in NYC, enjoyed it, and is ready to go home.
 
Possible, but all signs have been that he enjoys New York. Maybe it is something almost the same - tired of working here. Perhaps he has had enough of MLS and soccer culture in this country and that while he likes New York, Dome is unhappy professionally with a league that has salary restrictions and travel problems and bad officiating and all the things that we've already heard him complaining about.

The other possibility, I think, is that he has an issue with something at CFG or NYCFC - perhaps with Claudio. That could explain him saying that it is up to CFG if he stays or not. It would also fit with Twellman saying that if Claudio stays, Gio Van Brockhorst is the coach - i.e. we will keep one of the two (Claudio or Dome) but not both.
 
dummyrun said:
I think bringing in a new coach every couple years isn't necessarily a bad thing. Recruiting high-level talent that wants to prove itself under the CFG umbrella has brought us much better coaches than your typical MLS lifer (do we really want a return to Kreis?). And managerial turnover every few years is the norm at top clubs around the world—in fact, several of the greatest coaches in history have insisted that three years is the longest it's a good idea to stay at one club.
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And several of the greatest coaches in history have stayed at clubs for decades. I think if it fits, it fits. Leaving should happen when it's the right time for either club or coach. but less than 3 years is too much uphevel to field a consistent roster, style of play, and get consistent results. just like new players have to acclimate, new coaches have to too.
 
Gotham Gator said:
Possible, but all signs have been that he enjoys New York. Maybe it is something almost the same - tired of working here. Perhaps he has had enough of MLS and soccer culture in this country and that while he likes New York, Dome is unhappy professionally with a league that has salary restrictions and travel problems and bad officiating and all the things that we've already heard him complaining about.

The other possibility, I think, is that he has an issue with something at CFG or NYCFC - perhaps with Claudio. That could explain him saying that it is up to CFG if he stays or not. It would also fit with Twellman saying that if Claudio stays, Gio Van Brockhorst is the coach - i.e. we will keep one of the two (Claudio or Dome) but not both.
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Should we have a home coach and an away coach?
 
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