MLS Cup Playoffs - December 11 - Portland (Away)

For the love of god, can we somehow make sure gray is not marking mabiala on set pieces?

i say marking loosely, since we have a zone defense anyway.
 
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mgarbowski said:
Is anyone green besides Portland, and now Austin? We have a lot of blues.
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Portland and Seattle.

...The last 6 years have been dominated on the west coast by green teams in MLS cup final, with them matching up against columbus, atlanta, toronto. (toronto thrice and columbus twice)
 
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moogoo said:
since the higher seeded team started hosting MLS cup final, there has only been ONE final where the away team won.

That was in 2015 where portland won 2-1 vs columbus in columbus.
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Wanna guess who the goalkeeper was for that home team?

ETA: If you wanna know the answer without spoiling, I just put this on Twitter.
 
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SoupInNYC said:
Wanna guess who the goalkeeper was for that home team?

ETA: If you wanna know the answer without spoiling, I just put this on Twitter.
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Oh shit that's actually really funny!
I didn't know he played for columbus and then moved to the team that beat him! Funny enough he wasn't at Portland when they lost to Atlanta, so that means he doesn't have an 'extra' edge to be 'super'
 
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moogoo said:
since the higher seeded team started hosting MLS cup final, there has only been ONE final where the away team won.

That was in 2015 where portland won 2-1 vs columbus in columbus.

The cards are definitely stacked against us, but I think if we can come out and match/exceed the intensity and get an early goal or two, portland will open up and it'll play right into our hands. Them being a counter attacking team, chanot and callens are gonna have their hands full.
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Portland is a good home team, but only 1-2-1 against teams with 50 or more points (both losses to Seattle).
Not counting the playoffs, they were 3-4-1 against playoff teams at home with a goal differential of 0 even with a 6-1 win over RSL.
We're a playoff team with more than 50 points. I'm not saying we should be favored, and our pre-playoff away record is similarly suspect, but Portland's Home record is not all it seems. I also believe the MLS Cup home record is partly because the Home team always has more points and therefore is presumptively better than their opponent in addition to being at home. I don't accept that Portland is better than us. Points are points and I won't argue if you disagree, but I'm confident in that opinion.
 
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mgarbowski said:
Portland is a good home team, but only 1-2-1 against teams with 50 or more points (both losses to Seattle).
Not counting the playoffs, they were 3-4-1 against playoff teams at home with a goal differential of 0 even with a 6-1 win over RSL.
We're a playoff team with more than 50 points. I'm not saying we should be favored, and our pre-playoff away record is similarly suspect, but Portland's Home record is not all it seems. I also believe the MLS Cup home record is partly because the Home team always has more points and therefore is presumptively better than their opponent in addition to being at home. I don't accept that Portland is better than us. Points are points and I won't argue if you disagree, but I'm confident in that opinion.
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I don't think portland are better than us. I think if both teams are at their best, we are a better team even missing a couple of our best players.

But a home field crowd and not knowing that turf are big disadvantages for a playoff game. That said, we went to new england and dominated.

I think the odds makers have it right for the most part. Seems like the bookies have it pretty even, which I tend to agree with. But I think if we can find our top level, we should win.

Having a fresh taty will help.

EDIT:

Current Portland forecast:

mid-high 40s
up to 40mph winds
heavy rain.
 
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mgarbowski said:
Portland is a good home team, but only 1-2-1 against teams with 50 or more points (both losses to Seattle).
Not counting the playoffs, they were 3-4-1 against playoff teams at home with a goal differential of 0 even with a 6-1 win over RSL.
We're a playoff team with more than 50 points. I'm not saying we should be favored, and our pre-playoff away record is similarly suspect, but Portland's Home record is not all it seems. I also believe the MLS Cup home record is partly because the Home team always has more points and therefore is presumptively better than their opponent in addition to being at home. I don't accept that Portland is better than us. Points are points and I won't argue if you disagree, but I'm confident in that opinion.
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Portland is definitely a good team with a great home field advantage. That said, if Portland wins the cup will anyone say “yup, saw it all year, they were the best team?” Probably not. At least for NYCFC you have the underlying analytics saying they were one of the best teams in the league (by analytics they would have won the east). Portland seems like a team who got on a good run, not a juggernaut who is hosting because they were so much better than everyone else.

the home team can’t win forever in MLS Cup.
 
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The NYCFC/Portland history is not good but here is some very partial but relevant context:

2015 Home Loss - it was 2015, plus Villa was injured and DNP
2016 Away Win - RJ Allen wonder assist
2017 Home Loss - no Villa, Herrera, Ring or Chanot in the lineup
2018 Away Loss - no Herrera, Sweat or Shradi, so lineup not a major excuse. IIRC we were the better team for ~30 minutes but then Portland scored and we kind of collapsed. It also was our first loss of the season after a 5-0-2 start. Maybe might have been right around when the Vieira rumors started? Maybe someone else remembers different or more.
2019 Home Loss - No Mitrita, Sands, Callens, Johnson, Heber, or Shradi
2020 - MLS Is Back Loss - whatever
 
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mgarbowski said:
The NYCFC/Portland history is not good but here is some very partial but relevant context:

2015 Home Loss - it was 2015, plus Villa was injured and DNP
2016 Away Win - RJ Allen wonder assist
2017 Home Loss - no Villa, Herrera, Ring or Chanot in the lineup
2018 Away Loss - no Herrera, Sweat or Shradi, so lineup not a major excuse. IIRC we were the better team for ~30 minutes but then Portland scored and we kind of collapsed. It also was our first loss of the season after a 5-0-2 start. Maybe might have been right around when the Vieira rumors started? Maybe someone else remembers different or more.
2019 Home Loss - No Mitrita, Sands, Callens, Johnson, Heber, or Shradi
2020 - MLS Is Back Loss - whatever
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i remember this one....we had so little attacking options i think matarrita was playing on the right as an attacking winger.
 
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