MLS vs. Liga MX - Leagues Cup 2019

Ulrich said:
Not sure.

There should be: CCCL (reward), MLS-MX (either all-inclusive leagues-duel or top8? reward), MLS Cup (reward), USOpen Cup (all-inclusive), League Cup (all-inclusive).

I like reward cups as incentive, but every team needs additional fixtures that can lead to hardware.
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no league cups please...just look at us this year with injuries and stuff MLS squads dont have the depth for that many tournaments....just promote the US open cup more so more people care.
 
Fantazma said:
no league cups please...just look at us this year with injuries and stuff MLS squads dont have the depth for that many tournaments....just promote the US open cup more so more people care.
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1. League + League Playoffs
2. Nation (US Open Cup)
3. Continent (CCL)
4. World (Club World Cup)

Fin.
 
sbrylski said:
1. League + League Playoffs
2. Nation (US Open Cup)
3. Continent (CCL)
4. World (Club World Cup)

Fin.
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Except that until the TV deals start shoveling money to the league, #4 will include an MLS team once every how many decades?
 
Ulrich said:
Except that until the TV deals start shoveling money to the league, #4 will include an MLS team once every how many decades?
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Well that's the nature of the beast. It's a one-off neutral site kind of tournament, which is pretty much unavoidable.
 
franchise646 said:
Could always set it up like the NCAA basketball Tournament
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You could also partner up a NA group with a SA group and include a cross-region matchup during the group stage. For example:

Code: 
 GROUP A
---------
NA1   SA1
NA2   SA2
NA3   SA3

NA1 plays home and away against NA2, NA3, and SA1 for a total of six group stage games, and one in the other hemisphere.

NA2 plays NA1, NA3, and SA2

NA3 plays NA1, NA2, and SA3

All six teams in Group A are ranked, and the top two advance to knockouts. You could even mix an uneven number of NA and SA teams, but kept in pods of three to reduce travel. For example, 8 groups of 6 (48 teams) in 16 pods. 6 pods (18 teams) from NA, and 10 pods (30 teams) from SA.

Just spitballing here, but if they really, really wanted to do it, they could find a way maybe.
 
sbrylski said:
You could also partner up a NA group with a SA group and include a cross-region matchup during the group stage. For example:

Code: 
GROUP A
---------
NA1   SA1
NA2   SA2
NA3   SA3

NA1 plays home and away against NA2, NA3, and SA1 for a total of six group stage games, and one in the other hemisphere.

NA2 plays NA1, NA3, and SA2

NA3 plays NA1, NA2, and SA3

All six teams in Group A are ranked, and the top two advance to knockouts. You could even mix an uneven number of NA and SA teams, but kept in pods of three to reduce travel. For example, 8 groups of 6 (48 teams) in 16 pods. 6 pods (18 teams) from NA, and 10 pods (30 teams) from SA.

Just spitballing here, but if they really, really wanted to do it, they could find a way maybe.
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yeah but in you situation how do you solve for the travel
 
franchise646 said:
yeah but in you situation how do you solve for the travel
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There is no master solution for travel. This is merely a way to include both continents in groups while limiting travel to one game per team. (Option 1)

The next best solution would be to not mix continents until a knockout stage. (Option 2)

The least amount of travel would be to just play a final against the CCL and Copa winners. (Option 3)

The solution is to find the best balance of highest value tournament to generate revenue with least amount of cost (travel). The answer is probably Option 2.
 
franchise646 said:
I still think at one point soon we will see I giant Grand Americas Copa Libertadores.
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How many teams would that award MLS, though? Three? Perhaps four? I can't see MLS being given six or seven to match Brazil and Argentina, plus if it did happen you'd like see the CCL fade to nothing, so it only limits MLS exposure to continental competition.
 
sbrylski said:
There is no master solution for travel. This is merely a way to include both continents in groups while limiting travel to one game per team. (Option 1)

The next best solution would be to not mix continents until a knockout stage. (Option 2)

The least amount of travel would be to just play a final against the CCL and Copa winners. (Option 3)

The solution is to find the best balance of highest value tournament to generate revenue with least amount of cost (travel). The answer is probably Option 2.
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Falastur said:
How many teams would that award MLS, though? Three? Perhaps four? I can't see MLS being given six or seven to match Brazil and Argentina, plus if it did happen you'd like see the CCL fade to nothing, so it only limits MLS exposure to continental competition.
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I'm talking something more a kin to this.

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with a seating show top seats go to MLS LMX Brazil and Argentina champions. Regions being North, Central, South, and East (Caribbean).

Also you have to win something to get in, none of this finish in your leagues top 3, 4, or 5. Winners only
 
franchise646 said:
I'm talking something more a kin to this.

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with a seating show top seats go to MLS LMX Brazil and Argentina champions. Regions being North, Central, South, and East (Caribbean).

Also you have to win something to get in, none of this finish in your leagues top 3, 4, or 5. Winners only
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Fair enough, but I can't see South America going for that. It'd be like asking UEFA to first of all only allow title winners to qualify for the Champions League, and then secondly split it into East and West Europe in geographical splits.

CONMEBOL would refuse the first because it would drastically reduce their exposure by restricting their number of teams to a fraction of the current and they'd refuse the second because they'd never agree to a system where the region with the vast majority of the strong continental teams is only able to send one, and only ever one, team through to the semi-finals, meanwhile the Caribbean, with its (virtually) no history of achievement outside of its own borders whatsoever would get just as much advancement to the same stage.
 
Falastur said:
Fair enough, but I can't see South America going for that. It'd be like asking UEFA to first of all only allow title winners to qualify for the Champions League, and then secondly split it into East and West Europe in geographical splits.

CONMEBOL would refuse the first because it would drastically reduce their exposure by restricting their number of teams to a fraction of the current and they'd refuse the second because they'd never agree to a system where the region with the vast majority of the strong continental teams is only able to send one, and only ever one, team through to the semi-finals, meanwhile the Caribbean, with its (virtually) no history of achievement outside of its own borders whatsoever would get just as much advancement to the same stage.
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I see your point but most if not all leagues in CONMEBOL have 4 winners in a given season. That's where I came up with the number.
 
franchise646 said:
I see your point but most if not all leagues in CONMEBOL have 4 winners in a given season. That's where I came up with the number.
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True, fair enough. I still just can't quite see a competition where the Caribbean is given parity with South America, though.

Perhaps some sort of regional seeding similar to the FA Cup in its qualifying rounds? In the FA Cup, to prevent non-league teams from going bust trying to pay for two or three trips to a club 200 miles away in a short space of time, the earliest rounds you can only be drawn against teams from a few miles around you, then it expands to an area maybe the size of a couple of counties, then (approximately) your "quarter" of the country, then north/south, and then only as the competition gets to about the First Round Proper, where Football League teams finally enter, can any team be drawn against any other team from around the country. However, this doesn't change the fact that for the majority of the major rounds, the competition is not region-locked.

So in this instance, you could have a competition where in the First Round, countries are banded into groups of, say, four, maybe as a group stage, from which the winners emerge into a couple of rounds where the region is divided up into four quarters of equal numbers of countries, and by the last 16 you can be drawn against absolutely anyone.

This doesn't overly favour places such as the Caribbean, since - while they will have only been playing the first round or two against other Caribbean teams - they will still (statistically probably) be drawn against other teams from around the Americas at a stage when the competition is still hotting up, though it doesn't deny them the opportunity of getting a lucky draw and progressing. It also ensures that MLS teams will not have to travel beyond, say, Mexico, for a couple of rounds, then might be posted as far as Haiti or El Salvador, and only in the last four rounds could teams be made to travel the length of the continent - and even then, statistically you'd be likely to get a closer posting in at least one of those rounds.
 
Falastur said:
True, fair enough. I still just can't quite see a competition where the Caribbean is given parity with South America, though.

Perhaps some sort of regional seeding similar to the FA Cup in its qualifying rounds? In the FA Cup, to prevent non-league teams from going bust trying to pay for two or three trips to a club 200 miles away in a short space of time, the earliest rounds you can only be drawn against teams from a few miles around you, then it expands to an area maybe the size of a couple of counties, then (approximately) your "quarter" of the country, then north/south, and then only as the competition gets to about the First Round Proper, where Football League teams finally enter, can any team be drawn against any other team from around the country. However, this doesn't change the fact that for the majority of the major rounds, the competition is not region-locked.

So in this instance, you could have a competition where in the First Round, countries are banded into groups of, say, four, maybe as a group stage, from which the winners emerge into a couple of rounds where the region is divided up into four quarters of equal numbers of countries, and by the last 16 you can be drawn against absolutely anyone.

This doesn't overly favour places such as the Caribbean, since - while they will have only been playing the first round or two against other Caribbean teams - they will still (statistically probably) be drawn against other teams from around the Americas at a stage when the competition is still hotting up, though it doesn't deny them the opportunity of getting a lucky draw and progressing. It also ensures that MLS teams will not have to travel beyond, say, Mexico, for a couple of rounds, then might be posted as far as Haiti or El Salvador, and only in the last four rounds could teams be made to travel the length of the continent - and even then, statistically you'd be likely to get a closer posting in at least one of those rounds.
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Yeah you do have a point, I would suggest low amount of seeds and low seeding may like a 11 thru 16 seed teams and higher seeds given home field advantage.

And yes I am completely ripping off the NCAA basketball Tournament I fully admit that.
 
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So I signed up to participate in the MLS Soccer United Fan Council and received a new poll to go through today and the following was posed:

Major League Soccer and LigaMX are considering creating an annual tournament between MLS Clubs and LigaMX Clubs. Please note that this tournament would NOT replace CONCACAF Champions League. Below is some more information on this potential tournament.
  • The tournament will feature 4 MLS and 4 LigaMX clubs
  • The tournament could potentially take place in August 2018 with Tuesday and Wednesday night matches running through the month.
  • All matches will be hosted by participating MLS clubs at their home stadiums
Now I'm not sure if this is actually being considered or not, but they posed the following 2 formats:

Knockout Tournament
  • A single elimination competition, bracket-style, with the top 4 clubs in the table/standings from each league facing each other
  • Three-round single elimination tournament
  • The winner advances to the next round
  • The final match could feature two MLS clubs, two LigaMX clubs, or an MLS-LigaMX match-up
The club who wins all three rounds is crowned champion

Ryder Cup Format
  • A competition, where the top 4 clubs in the table/standings from each league face each other in a series of matches
  • Eight total matches with each club playing two matches against clubs from the opposing league
  • The Clubs accumulate points for their respective league
    ‐ 3 points for regulation win ‐ 1 point for draw after regulation
    ‐ 1 bonus point for win in PKs
    ‐ 0 points for regulation loss
The league with the most points is declared the champion
 
SoupInNYC said:
So I signed up to participate in the MLS Soccer United Fan Council and received a new poll to go through today and the following was posed:

Major League Soccer and LigaMX are considering creating an annual tournament between MLS Clubs and LigaMX Clubs. Please note that this tournament would NOT replace CONCACAF Champions League. Below is some more information on this potential tournament.
  • The tournament will feature 4 MLS and 4 LigaMX clubs
  • The tournament could potentially take place in August 2018 with Tuesday and Wednesday night matches running through the month.
  • All matches will be hosted by participating MLS clubs at their home stadiums
Now I'm not sure if this is actually being considered or not, but they posed the following 2 formats:

Knockout Tournament
  • A single elimination competition, bracket-style, with the top 4 clubs in the table/standings from each league facing each other
  • Three-round single elimination tournament
  • The winner advances to the next round
  • The final match could feature two MLS clubs, two LigaMX clubs, or an MLS-LigaMX match-up
The club who wins all three rounds is crowned champion

Ryder Cup Format
  • A competition, where the top 4 clubs in the table/standings from each league face each other in a series of matches
  • Eight total matches with each club playing two matches against clubs from the opposing league
  • The Clubs accumulate points for their respective league
    ‐ 3 points for regulation win ‐ 1 point for draw after regulation
    ‐ 1 bonus point for win in PKs
    ‐ 0 points for regulation loss
The league with the most points is declared the champion
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I guess NYCFC would compete based on its position on the table this season. Or do the use live standings next season? Where the hell would we play these matches???
 
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