Atlanta has the luxury of experimentation with the gap between them and everybody else.
And him not knowing his best 11 is just projection and speculation. If his next match was meaningful, he’d damn well put out who he values as his starting 11.
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And him not knowing his best 11 is just projection and speculation. If his next match was meaningful, he’d damn well put out who he values as his starting 11.
This game was scheduled for overnight replay at 1 am. Because it was preempted, I set the DVR to record it. But YES, and the Yankees, and even NYCFC think so little of us that it was again preempted and I have a recording of the Yankee postgame replay for an hour then just 2/3 of a soccer match. This team can't even have a match replay happen as scheduled after the live broadcast is preempted.
I'll answer your cliché with one of my own: we must have been watching different games.
I think part of the key for them was that Montreal blew up our midfield just by dropping their striker deep enough to interfere with Ring (often marking him super tightly), Maxi, Amagat and Mata, depending on who was circulating around.
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"All managers will try to play their strongest lineup in important games, so all managers know their best eleven" is a devastating counterargument. I concede.
Amagat sucks. Hopefully the reason he was playing was because we had three games this week. Needs to be Maxi, Ofori, Sands, and Ring.
Unforunately, this looks like a team that has made a manager switch midseason. A full off-season is probably needed for the players to get it.
Nature of the playoffs helps us out because as disjoined we have been on offense, we have a month to figure it out.
Unforunately, this looks like a team that has made a manager switch midseason. A full off-season is probably needed for the players to get it.
Nature of the playoffs helps us out because as disjoined we have been on offense, we have a month to figure it out.
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Dome came in and said he wasn’t changing much at first because he didn’t have the time to do it. And with no changes, we won 5 right off the bat with help from Lewis rescuing points. Since then, Dome has definitely made changes since, and the team looks worse & more lost every week.
Sure there were injuries, but it’s the guys who’ve been healthy that have regressed the most, and he had his full team back last night after a break and the team looked more disjointed than ever before. Tinny is a shell of himself. Maxi hasn’t been dominant in ages. Villa looks lost. Mata had a two match breakthrough as an 8 and reverted to his usual self last night. Ofori, with whom we were winning with despite his inability to use a right foot, has been displaced by a 2nd rate Spanish league bench warmer. Ring’s role changes from night to night. The Callens/Chanot partnership that was Allstar quality at the beginning of the season looks disjointed. Isi doesn’t appear to know what his role is any more.
The pieces were in place to succeed this season and all Dome had to do was be a caretaker until the offseason. He forced change when it wasn’t needed and the players either don’t understand or aren’t buying into it. There are 4 matches left to get on the same page before the playoffs. None of the games over the last two months suggest the club is all of a sudden gonna start clicking.
I can't believe how much of a trash heap Dome has made of this team. It's unthinkable.
Weird game.
Everything that Dome is trying to do is more or less coming off - we have numerical superiority where it matters based on the phase of play, so we have a lot of the ball in the right areas. Where everything seems to break down is in those plays where we need our players to recognize what we are trying to do just a split-second faster than the other team does. Ironically, Montreal's goal was a good example of this.
From a tactical perspective, the main problem that I'm seeing is that the 4-4-2 diamond set up means that we take a long time to transition to a wide attacking formation. I lost count of the number of times that we held the ball in the center circle while Sweat or Tinny got up the field. Of course this also makes us really vulnerable to the counter attack.
The inverted wingers incarnation of the 4-3-3 suffered from the same issues against counter attacks, but the extra width up front meant that teams were able to create offensive space earlier in the attacking phase. The adjustment that Dome was supposedly responsible for at City was to adjust which players were responsible for supplying attacking width - instead of having fullbacks overlap for their inverted wingers, you would see the two 8s underlapping for true wingers, and fullbacks slotting into the center to make up numbers. The two 8s are generally higher upfield than the full backs, so this meant that attacking width came sooner than it did in the inverted wingers 4-3-3. Also the full backs ended up less drastically out of position on turnovers.
So I'm surprised that we aren't doing the same with our two 8s now. Mata definitely has the tendencies for that kind of role, less so Amagat / Ofori / whoever else would play on the other side of the diamond. Perhaps Ring. Or Castellanos if we trust him in the middle. Or Maxi if we drop Villa in as the 10.
Interestingly, we never changed shape AFAICT. And the adjustment that I suggested would require a ton of reprogramming for the number of games we have left. So I think we are left hoping that the right players come in (Medina, Ofori looked like he was able to move the ball more effectively than Amagat) or that we start to gain the familiarity which will give us an edge in those gridlocked situations we have been creating around the box.
Everything that Dome is trying to do is more or less coming off - we have numerical superiority where it matters based on the phase of play, so we have a lot of the ball in the right areas. Where everything seems to break down is in those plays where we need our players to recognize what we are trying to do just a split-second faster than the other team does. Ironically, Montreal's goal was a good example of this.
From a tactical perspective, the main problem that I'm seeing is that the 4-4-2 diamond set up means that we take a long time to transition to a wide attacking formation. I lost count of the number of times that we held the ball in the center circle while Sweat or Tinny got up the field. Of course this also makes us really vulnerable to the counter attack.
The inverted wingers incarnation of the 4-3-3 suffered from the same issues against counter attacks, but the extra width up front meant that teams were able to create offensive space earlier in the attacking phase. The adjustment that Dome was supposedly responsible for at City was to adjust which players were responsible for supplying attacking width - instead of having fullbacks overlap for their inverted wingers, you would see the two 8s underlapping for true wingers, and fullbacks slotting into the center to make up numbers. The two 8s are generally higher upfield than the full backs, so this meant that attacking width came sooner than it did in the inverted wingers 4-3-3. Also the full backs ended up less drastically out of position on turnovers.
So I'm surprised that we aren't doing the same with our two 8s now. Mata definitely has the tendencies for that kind of role, less so Amagat / Ofori / whoever else would play on the other side of the diamond. Perhaps Ring. Or Castellanos if we trust him in the middle. Or Maxi if we drop Villa in as the 10.
Interestingly, we never changed shape AFAICT. And the adjustment that I suggested would require a ton of reprogramming for the number of games we have left. So I think we are left hoping that the right players come in (Medina, Ofori looked like he was able to move the ball more effectively than Amagat) or that we start to gain the familiarity which will give us an edge in those gridlocked situations we have been creating around the box.
Interesting - the above suggests that the diamond is an away / defensive formation for Dome.
Thanks for the brief summary. I can’t even listen right now.
Highlight for me was when the journalist asked whether Berget was gonna be important in the end of the season. Dome misinterpreted and took the opportunity to defend his master plan.
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Great stuff. I'd just add that the only time we've really seen the formation you're talking about was in the Vancouver game, Dome's favorite, but there we had Medina lining up as one of the (very) attacking mids. It's not clear who else on the roster would fit that role: Berget would be lost in the phases where he had to play more as a mid than an inside forward, and Mata is kind of a fish out of water everywhere right now.
Haven't watched the press conference yet but my read was that the continuation of the diamond last night was a way to keep numbers in the midfield while seeing whether a Berget-Villa striker pair could convert the goals that weren't coming the other week. It wasn't awful, but I'll be surprised if we stick with it when Medina's back for the reasons you mentioned.
All of my future away game trips this year and maybe even next are suspended until further notice.
The travel time and cost is not worth seeing performances like that in person. Vacation days are better spent on a beach somewhere drinking a cold drink and not having to see Amagat on the field for NYCFC.
The travel time and cost is not worth seeing performances like that in person. Vacation days are better spent on a beach somewhere drinking a cold drink and not having to see Amagat on the field for NYCFC.
Well, folks, if
LionNYC has thrown in the towel, there is not much lower that we can go. (I agree with him, there are much better ways to spend time - and money - then watching this team. I’m imagining dome explaining to the team how he wants them to play in broken English snd everyone just looking at each other and shrugging their shoulders. At least Pep goes 1000 miles an hour but he makes sense.)
i should of said hello ( i think it was you, my alcohol intake was quite great ) you passed by my a couple of times during the game and when they were escorting us out, then again since i was drunk i would of yelled out "hey lion man whats up" so maybe it was best to not say anything
as for my drunken take on the game: shit game on both sides, two goals that were "accidents" its just really bad on our side since we seen this lately so many times. no one wants ( or cant) shoot the ball. want to pass it all the way to the box and then pass some more before you shoot. another thing is no one can make runs soooo many times i saw maxi directing or pointing to sweat/ tinnerholm, mata to move around or move on different direction to get space to pass the ball.
interesting note is that the only player ( that i remember) that shoots the ball from a distance or outside the box and being successful was media and twice it lead to goals ( vs orlando hitting the post then sequence leading to goal, and his goal vs montreal)
team is so static so slow too. i really dont think they are gassed, the lineup was bad, i get its three games in week, but i would of gone all out vs impact and chicago and then perhaps sacrifice the minnesota game ( with all the shit turf apparently is NE level of bad). when issi, ofori and amagat went out i felt we had bit more control of the game and ot better slightly but again it didnt lead to anything, again the lineup was incorrect. i guess sands is only trusted at home for now. not having herrera seems to be a big issue even with all his own faults
anyway great trip shit game , onto the next one
I dunno. Spending an overnight eating and walking around in Montreal was almost enough to mitigate the disappointment of the match. I’ll be a regular at away matches there from now on.
Yeah, don't dox me like that in public. I would say hello back in closer conversations.
Yeah, Montreal was a fun trip (aside from the match, though belting out the Star Spangled banner was a great feeling in Canada). One of the best away trips.
But I don't see the appeal of going to see NYCFC play DC even in a new soccer specific stadium in late October.
Same. I didn’t know the score this morning. So i just sipped my coffee, shrugged and started from the 47th minute. Figured I probably wasn’t missing much these days.
Also, my FF lost with Matt Ryan starting and I picked Minnesota in my suicide pool. What an awesome Sunday.
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