New Jersey Red Bulls Win The Supporters Shield

Keith Putnam

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Well, it's a bit embarrassing to say, but now that the west coast matches are over the fact is that NJRB have won the league this season.

Sigh.

Next year... Next year we win ALL the Hudson Derbys.
 
I don't get why it's embarrassing. I really don't.
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Eh. About as impressive as winning the President's trophy in the NHL. The second season is all that matters in North American sports.

Well deserved by RB. They wiped the floor with us. But doesn't mean much unless they are the last ones standing, lifting the MLS Cup.
 
Well, it's a bit embarrassing to say, but now that the west coast matches are over the fact is that NJRB have won the league this season.

Sigh.

Next year... Next year we win ALL the Hudson Derbys.

Well first and foremost, the Redbulls have been class of the east the whole year, kudos to them. They have a bunch of players that are tailor made for each position they play and they play as team. In soccer this is recipe for great success and I think they are real threats to win MLS cup. I hope it doesn't happen, I hate their fanbase and their organization and everything they stand for with every inch of my body. However, give them credit. Jessie Marsche did a great job. Their midfield is amazing with Dax running things, they have a very good striker in BWP and they have in my opinion the best goalie in MLS in Robles. Good striker, a top 3 midfield and the best GK and this is what happens.

Now with that said, I was a die hard fan back when they won the first Supporters Shield and THAT WAS A BIG DEAL to us fans back then. Because of the awful history the metrostars/redbulls have had up until that beating Chicago received 5-2.

This year's supporters shield, just like every other supporters shield means shit. Yes congrats, you were the best team in the regular season in an unbalanced league, with an unbalanced schedule and most importantly a domestic league that calls it's champion only after winning the playoffs and winning mls cup. In other words, again the supporters shield means shit. It means a CONCACAF champions birth, congrats! Good luck with that.
 
^ saying it doesn't mean shit is a bit harsh. They're the best team in the league based on their record at year's end, that means something. We'd be howling from the rooftops if our boys in blue were lifting that stupid hubcap. Having said that, for us in the US of A, winning the playoffs is everything, so MLS Cup or Bust it is. Doesn't mean I won't be pleased as punch the first time we win the shield, only that in lifting that plate, we'd still know there was unfinished business.
 
you were the best team in the regular season in an unbalanced league
I'm not totally clear on what this criticism means. To my eye, MLS has less difference in quality between the teams at the bottom of the table from the teams at the top of the table than any of the big european leagues, at least. Is that what you mean by "balance"? Do you feel that the EPL or Bundesliga or Serie A or La Liga is more "balanced", even though only maybe three to five teams in those leagues has any chance of winning the league in a given season?

We tack on playoffs to MLS because that's what you "have to do" in American sports; but accruing the highest number of points in a season is still a very solid metric to decide which team is the best. The Red Bulls won the most games in the Eastern Conference, tied the wins record of the Western Conference, and had the best goal differential (+19) in the entire league. That's what the Supporters Shield means; they were the winningest team, so to speak. How does that "not mean shit"? Playoffs are a wildcard, and they're fun, but a consistent record is a much better indicator of quality than being able to win one or two specific matches.
 
I'm not totally clear on what this criticism means. To my eye, MLS has less difference in quality between the teams at the bottom of the table from the teams at the top of the table than any of the big european leagues, at least. Is that what you mean by "balance"? Do you feel that the EPL or Bundesliga or Serie A or La Liga is more "balanced", even though only maybe three to five teams in those leagues has any chance of winning the league in a given season?

We tack on playoffs to MLS because that's what you "have to do" in American sports; but accruing the highest number of points in a season is still a very solid metric to decide which team is the best. The Red Bulls won the most games in the Eastern Conference, tied the wins record of the Western Conference, and had the best goal differential (+19) in the entire league. That's what the Supporters Shield means; they were the winningest team, so to speak. How does that "not mean shit"? Playoffs are a wildcard, and they're fun, but a consistent record is a much better indicator of quality than being able to win one or two specific matches.
Keith, I get what you are saying but here is the thing. In my mind, growing up in the states but still having strong ties to Europe, I can honestly say the best judge of determining a true champion in any league is the regular season plus playoffs, especially in a league like MLS and please allow me to explain.

First, what do I mean by unbalanced scheduling? Well first of all, the difference between the Eastern Conference and Western Conference is pretty apparent, in terms of quality. I mean the fact that a team like SKC has to sneak into the playoffs as the 6th seed just goes to show you. SKC is a very good team. Not as good as years past, but still in my mind one of the better teams with a good coach, a proven system, and a team that has been together for a number of years. Second of all "unbalanced schedule" in MLS means not all of the teams play each other the same amount of time. And yes the parity in the league kinda diminishes this but the fact that teams don't play each other an equal amount of time, kinda dents the SS. On top of that, the mindset that teams have in MLS where they are not truly going after 3 points week in and week out, is a BIG BIG problem if you want to really add the same amount of value to the SS as supposed a regular season title in the EPL, La Liga, etc.....teams know they don't have to field their strongest starting 11 week in and week out, and thats ok, they can drop points and still be good as long as you are peaking at the right time in MLS.

With that said, I am not saying winning the SS is not something you shouldn't be proud of, but in reality it isn't the goal for any team really, unless you are the Redbulls in 2013. Every team, even Jesse Marsche stated, this isn't the top prize. They still have work to do.

Now let me explain why I think a regular season plus playoffs, to me anyways, is the real true barometer of a real champion. Right now are the Redbulls the best team in MLS? That is debateable. Are they in the discussion for sure, but that is what the playoffs are for in any sport in any league. Put the best teams in the league in a playoff system, where all of the pressure is on, and you will see who folds and who rises to the top. For a team in any sport to make the playoffs as one of the best teams in the league, and then to go on and to prove it during a high pressure tournament, to me that tells me who the real champion is.

It is similar in the world cup. You have the group stage of the world cup (a miniature regular season per se) and then you have the 16 team playoff. To me again, the best teams show up during big time, high pressured situations and win, and the playoffs are the best format IMO.
 
This is something that's going to divide opinion. In my mind it is absolutely no big deal. If your going to have play offs it makes being regular season champs next to insignificant. On top of this as a previous poster mentioned it's an unbalanced schedule. If it's not going to be once home once away against every other team it's not remotely the same as Europe. Lastly there's the difference between how teams go all out or not when there are play offs to fall back on and the fact that we have international call ups mid season that can affect win loss records that Europe doesn't deal with. I'd swap their record for ours of course but 18-10 ain't so impressive either. That's a record you'd expect Spurs or Everton to have in an Europa qualifying season not a chest beating champagne popping "Real champions" kind of feat either.
 
In the rest of the world, this would be a big deal in football. But this is America and this is soccer. It doesn't matter how do you do in the regular season. It's about getting to the playoffs and winning the title. The supporter shield isn't the title. This MLS Cup is. Period. 'Murica.
 
I used to be a RB fan, not super-passionate because the identity always bugged me (metrostars too for that matter) but they were the only thing going around here until this year and I went to plenty of games over the years. When NYCFC arrived I jumped right away, so excited to have a City team finally and say goodbye to NJ energy drink for good.

However, I have to give them credit. Just when everything looked like it was going to hell for them they ended up having a great year. And furthermore you have to admire the way they did it, very blue collar, all for one, one for all feel. So as annoying as it is to admit-- good job RB. Best record in the league.

I hope we kick their butts extra-hard next year!
 
So salty you guys... If we had won the shield we would be putting it in their faces 24/7. Might jump back ship way to much whining in this fan base worse then the RB honestly. They humiliated us all year and all we can say is the shield sucks and they play in NJ bight deal half the professional teams in this city don't play IN the city. :mad:
 
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So salty you guys... If we had won the shield we would be putting it in their faces 24/7. Might jump back ship way to much whining in this fan base worse then the RB honestly. They humiliated us all year and all we can say is the shield sucks and they play in NJ bight deal half the professional teams in this city don't play IN the city. :mad:
"Jump back ship" and off a bridge while you're at it.
 
I used to be a RB fan, not super-passionate because the identity always bugged me (metrostars too for that matter) but they were the only thing going around here until this year

However, I have to give them credit. Just when everything looked like it was going to hell for them they ended up having a great year. And furthermore you have to admire the way they did it, very blue collar, all for one, one for all feel. So as annoying as it is to admit-- good job RB. Best record in the league.

I hope we kick their butts extra-hard next year!


I share your sentiments and its kind of bittersweet too. I loved the Metrostars and still remember some of the great players, Gio Savarese, Petke, Donadonni, El tanque, Pitufu.. with the name change I could not make the connection with the RB.
Congratulations RB formerly Metrostars !! we will meet again 0n 2016 at YS
 
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