NYCFC Players Wanted Thread
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MagnusPax
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What do we trade that Whitecaps would want? I agree great talent but Vancouver knows this too.
dannd23
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not sure what his contract details are, but throw them Brovsky and Shelton and some allocation money. That's probably not enough but a man can dream right?
i expect there will be 1/2 players coming from MCFC's academy, with our defence being all over the place in a difficult league for defenders i think its unlikely they will want to loan any young defenders only to have what happened to Angelino happen again. I think that one of the forwards like Ambrose would be very useful - he can play either wing or up front and is very quick and hard working. the team lacks pace out wide so he could be perfect and would not cost alot in wages
Acupofbeans
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Although there's bound to be 'cross-pollination' every season, its important to concentrate on scouting closer to home.
Don't get me wrong, if the MCFC academy loanees are top quality, and really propel us on, I'd be more than happy, but as of yet, they haven't been.
Need to put a lot of our cap space and energy in to finding a tall stud CB. That reduces the greatest number of our problems with one player. Namely, defense, CDM, offensive and defensive set pieces.
Well, there's a couple of reasons why you would use Man City Loanees. First, Facey and Angelino were a heck of a lot cheaper than Calle, Mena, Mendoza and Nemec. You could have had 2 Faceys for one of each of those guys.
Secondly, if you think that the loanees are better players than the other international slots (I would argue that both Facey and Angelino made a greater impact on this team than those 4 I mentioned), then you take the loanees.
Finally, it's about finding the right "stop-gap" players. I agree it's difficult to incorporate a new CB year to year. I would also say that it's easy to incorporate a wide player or a striker on a year to year.
whill4
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Facey and Angelino were upgrades, but they still weren't that amazing. Just better than some of the donkeys they were competing against.
Int. slots are going to become more and important as the league starts to attract better foreign talent. And having kids eat them up every year is a big disadvantage. I mean we already had a situation this year where we couldn't sign Tefu because we were out of slots.
Int. slots are going to become more and important as the league starts to attract better foreign talent. And having kids eat them up every year is a big disadvantage. I mean we already had a situation this year where we couldn't sign Tefu because we were out of slots.
1) We didn't sign Tefu because we were out of money. We were out of money because we paid Mendoza, Calle and Mena.
2) Your argument doesn't hold water regarding kids vs international players. You need to look at value at their salaries. Facey on $125,000 is incredible value. Sure, he was a mediocre CB. But he was more valuable than any other full-time starter on our roster, save for Saunders.
MagnusPax
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Hold on. Your saying Facey was the 2nd most valuable player on our team? More than Villa?
Facey was mediocre at best. We've just let our standards gets so low that we accept it. Well not when we want Jose Mourinho to coach us and to sign Zlatan. But other than that, Facey and Saunders are the MVPs. Unbelievable.
I think this highlights the difference between our league and, say, the Premier League, a difference I'm slowly coming to realize might explain a lot about MLS. A lot of people here are saying Facey wasn't the best CB, which is perhaps true. But in MLS that in a sense doesn't matter at all. Yes, Facey isn't Vincent Kompany, but he also doesn't cost millions per year. In the Premier League if you have enough money you can have every single player with millions-per-year salaries, but here you can't do that. So if Facey is 33% as good as Kompany (just a made up number) but he costs us only 10% of the salary, his value to us is greater than having the better player. He may not be as good, but he's taking up far less cap room and leaving us able to get more players. That's value for money, which is what MLS's crazy structure is about. (He would have an even higher value-for-money factor is he didn't take up an international spot.)
It only took me a whole season to look at the league in this way as I've been so used to the EPL and MLB where it's common to have multi-million dollar salaries. With either of those leagues there's no real limit to how much you can spend, more or less.
So Hi, this is MLS. Pirlo has huge value for money (VFM) for the team and the league. The reason is because he's world renowned and a huge draw. He gets people to buy tickets. Even if he's no longer the best player it doesn't really matter. He's high VFM.
Same with Facey but for a totally different reason. He's high VFM because he's good enough, can play his position, and doesn't cost us much against the cap. Again, high VFM.
What's interesting is thinking about Mix in this way. Pirlo's a DP so his salary doesn't count, in a sense. So the M part of VFM is low, even though he gets paid a lot. This is what makes his VFM so high. But what about Mix? He's not a DP, so we have to use allocation money to erase some of his salary, which means we can't use it for other things, and his M is also high, all of which reduces his VFM. So even though he's a (potentially) great player, he might not have a high enough VFM factor. Or maybe in two years he'll just have gotten so much better, or be playing in a system that suit his style and skills, that his VFM will skyrocket.
I think maybe I'm starting to get a handle on how the league works, at least in part.
I'm assuming he didn't mean valuable to our success on the pitch, but moreso value/$ spent.
Not going to read through every previous post... so I apologize if this has been discussed recently.
Provided he's recovered fully from his last injury, NYCFC should make a play for Josh Gatt. He has the speed and technical ability out wide that we were sorely lacking and could be part of the youth movement at 24. The biggest hurdle is whether he's on another Team's Discovery List since he isn't a big enough name to force his way on to the team of his choice.
Provided he's recovered fully from his last injury, NYCFC should make a play for Josh Gatt. He has the speed and technical ability out wide that we were sorely lacking and could be part of the youth movement at 24. The biggest hurdle is whether he's on another Team's Discovery List since he isn't a big enough name to force his way on to the team of his choice.
NYdoesitEZ
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Agreed. I want him
NYdoesitEZ
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Almost every club in the world has CB problem and is looking for a stud. I can count true stud CBs with no obvious flaws on one hand
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