NYCFC Players Wanted Thread

[Kjbert]

Do I understand TAM right? TAM can only be used in a situation where a player who would otherwise be a DP has his salary bought down? It can only be used when the team has used it full 3 allotted DP slots or is using the TAM to help get another DP.

TAM COULD NOT have been used for Mix because, at the time, we only had Villa and maybe Lampard as DPs. That being the case, regular allocation money would have had to have been used to buy Mix down.

If we wanted to use TAM now, we could only use it if were to have another player, let's say the Aston Villa CB, come on board on a 500k a year salary, and use the money to buy him down. Right?

And what do we think about Grant Wahl's comments that there will be more TAM???

 

[Nikita]

I'm sorry but this is wrong. Osvaldo Alonso is one of the best CDM in MLS, far superior to AJ, who isn't even really a DM. Alonso would be a huge upgrade but I don't see us affording him, unless Seattle split his costs with us.

Alonso would be a great asset sitting beside Pirlo, he typically leads MLS in % pass completion and is extremely good at connecting with the attacking players in front of him. Defensively, unquestionably one of the best in MLS in that part of the field…which would give Pirlo even more opportunities to move closer to the attacking 3rd and create scoring opportunities.

 

[MagnusPax]

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Never did I say Kreis had it out for CFG. But I do find it hard to believe they used a cap rule without knowing what it was called.

Why? Is it essential that they name a rule before they decide on the method of its use?

Kjbert, my understanding is that the purpose of TAM is to essentially "buy down" near DP players to below DP cap status. Essentially they used allocation money to do what TAM does now. But to be honest it was against the principle of the salary cap, it was bending the rules. So MLS created TAM to legalize the gap.

My guess is NYCFC wanted to get someone like Pirlo and wanted to have Mix too so they used allocation to buy him down and unDP him.

 

[Kjbert]

Why? Is it essential that they name a rule before they decide on the method of its use?

Kjbert, my understanding is that the purpose of TAM is to essentially "buy down" near DP players to below DP cap status. Essentially they used allocation money to do what TAM does now. But to be honest it was against the principle of the salary cap, it was bending the rules. So MLS created TAM to legalize the gap.

My guess is NYCFC wanted to get someone like Pirlo and wanted to have Mix too so they used allocation to buy him down and unDP him.

I think what we are missing though is that you can ONLY use the TAM to buy down one player to get another DP in. Case in point is LA. They needed more allocation money so that they could buy down Omar G and get Dos Santos in.

 

[Ulrich]

Why? Is it essential that they name a rule before they decide on the method of its use?

Kjbert, my understanding is that the purpose of TAM is to essentially "buy down" near DP players to below DP cap status. Essentially they used allocation money to do what TAM does now. But to be honest it was against the principle of the salary cap, it was bending the rules. So MLS created TAM to legalize the gap.

My guess is NYCFC wanted to get someone like Pirlo and wanted to have Mix too so they used allocation to buy him down and unDP him.

I don't think that's correct. The way it was originally described, TAM technically can only be used to buy down a current DP to a below DP cap number so that a new, higher cost DP can be brought on board. Mix was on board before Pirlo, but he was never described as a DP - the team even said he wasn't a DP and that the third DP would be coming in the summer. This is in contrast to LA that had Gonzalez on the books as a DP and needed a way to get a "4th" DP.

And I wrote all of this only to see Kjbert wrote nearly the same exact thing..... sigh....

 

[Kjbert]

Ulrich but you wrote it in a much more concise manner.

 

[MagnusPax]

Many teams were using the allocation to buy down DPs. MLS didn't like the skirting the rules so they made a new rule (TAM) to make the skirting legit.

Now if NYCFC is using TAM on Mix in 2016, they won't be able to get a player like Alonso... Or Omar Gonzelez (that would be nice).

 

[sbrylski]

We traded some or all of our TAM to Galaxy in exchange for an international spot to bring in Mena, no?

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

He will be TAM in 2016, plus I thought there was a quote in this thread about Kreis saying they used TAM on Mix before they knew what TAM was.

I thought he said something like we cannot use it, because it needs to be used on an existing DP to lower them to a non-DP for the purposes of signing another DP.

Basically only usable in the specific circumstance that LA needed.

Didn't see explanations above.

 

[S1ARK5]

What do you guys think about Ozzie Alonso as a CDM? I read yesterday that Seattle is shopping him heavily. I know he has been hurt the last couple of years and depending on what the money looks like, as a replacement for Jacobsen? I think he can help us out. 3-4 years ago, he was a BEAST!

 

[Midas Mulligan]

What do you guys think about Ozzie Alonso as a CDM? I read yesterday that Seattle is shopping him heavily. I know he has been hurt the last couple of years and depending on what the money looks like, as a replacement for Jacobsen? I think he can help us out. 3-4 years ago, he was a BEAST!

Start here:
<a href="http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/2015-offseason-megathread.3847/page-12#post-110625">2015 Offseason Megathread</a>

 

[gbservis]

What do you guys think about Ozzie Alonso as a CDM? I read yesterday that Seattle is shopping him heavily. I know he has been hurt the last couple of years and depending on what the money looks like, as a replacement for Jacobsen? I think he can help us out. 3-4 years ago, he was a BEAST!

 

[The Toe]

Twellman says Will Johnson will not be back at Portland. Coming off an injury -- worth the risk?

 

[Ulrich]

Twellman says Will Johnson will not be back at Portland. Coming off an injury -- worth the risk?

Lining him up next to George John should also include a trained medic as each wing-back.

 

[Kjbert]

Pass on Omar G. I don't know what's going on with him. Maybe he just doesn't want to be there. But he's been in a slump for about 18 months.

 

[MagnusPax]

Twellman says Will Johnson will not be back at Portland. Coming off an injury -- worth the risk?

Totally. He's an upgrade to AJ but he is a former Kreis guy.

 

[JGarrettLieb]

Do I understand TAM right? TAM can only be used in a situation where a player who would otherwise be a DP has his salary bought down? It can only be used when the team has used it full 3 allotted DP slots or is using the TAM to help get another DP.

TAM COULD NOT have been used for Mix because, at the time, we only had Villa and maybe Lampard as DPs. That being the case, regular allocation money would have had to have been used to buy Mix down.

If we wanted to use TAM now, we could only use it if were to have another player, let's say the Aston Villa CB, come on board on a 500k a year salary, and use the money to buy him down. Right?

And what do we think about Grant Wahl's comments that there will be more TAM???

You are misunderstanding TAM.

TAM is for purchasing a DP player down to sub DP salary so that the DP spot may be used to bring in a more highly paid player; but you may only make that buy down if you already have three DP's. There is no "otherwise be a DP" part of TAM, the player who's salary cap is being bought down must be signed to a DP slot when the allocation money is used to buy down their salary.

We cannot use our TAM right now because we cannot free up a DP slot next year and all of our DP's are too expensive to buy down to sub DP levels.

There is a $100,000 allocation of TAM per team yearly, for the next five years, that may be brought forward as the club pleases; starting from the beginning of the 2015 season. TAM also expires one year after you receive it. So we're going to need to get rid of the TAM we had in 2015 because we cannot buy down a players contract for the 2016 season.

We could not use TAM for Mix because TAM didn't exist when we signed Mix. TAM came into league wide effect only during the 2015 mid season transfer window.

 

[SoupInNYC]

You are misunderstanding TAM.

TAM is for purchasing a DP player down to sub DP salary so that the DP spot may be used to bring in a more highly paid player; but you may only make that buy down if you already have three DP's. There is no "otherwise be a DP" part of TAM, the player who's salary cap is being bought down must be signed to a DP slot when the allocation money is used to buy down their salary.

We cannot use our TAM right now because we cannot free up a DP slot next year and all of our DP's are too expensive to buy down to sub DP levels.

There is a $100,000 allocation of TAM per team yearly, for the next five years, that may be brought forward as the club pleases; starting from the beginning of the 2015 season. TAM also expires one year after you receive it. So we're going to need to get rid of the TAM we had in 2015 because we cannot buy down a players contract for the 2016 season.

We could not use TAM for Mix because TAM didn't exist when we signed Mix. TAM came into league wide effect only during the 2015 mid season transfer window.

I dont think this is completely accurate. I wasn't very familiar with the rules myself, but I just decided to look them up here: http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2015/...club-rosters-introduction-targeted-allocation

"Similar to general Allocation Money, these funds may be be used to sign new or re-sign existing players. Unlike general Allocation Money, however, Targeted Allocation Money can only be used for players earning more than the maximum salary budget charge, which in 2015 is $436,250.

Teams may also use Targeted Allocation Money to convert a Designated Player to a non-Designated Player by buying down his salary budget charge to below the maximum salary budget charge. When using Targeted Allocation Money to free up a Designated Player slot, a club must simultaneously sign a new Designated Player at an investment equal to or greater than the player he is replacing."

The way I read this, TAM can be used on a current DP, as long as a new DP is signed, or it can be used to sign someone new that would be over the DP limit. (See the bolded paragraph above)

Though, we cannot use this money on Mix as we were already using regular allocation money on him:
"Targeted Allocation Money may not be used in conjunction with general Allocation Money on any one individual player in a single season."

I think technically, we could sign someone next year for just over the DP threshold and use TAM to buy down below the limit.

I may be wrong on this, but this is how I'm interpreting it.

 

[Kjbert]

You are misunderstanding TAM.

TAM is for purchasing a DP player down to sub DP salary so that the DP spot may be used to bring in a more highly paid player; but you may only make that buy down if you already have three DP's. There is no "otherwise be a DP" part of TAM, the player who's salary cap is being bought down must be signed to a DP slot when the allocation money is used to buy down their salary.

We cannot use our TAM right now because we cannot free up a DP slot next year and all of our DP's are too expensive to buy down to sub DP levels.

There is a $100,000 allocation of TAM per team yearly, for the next five years, that may be brought forward as the club pleases; starting from the beginning of the 2015 season. TAM also expires one year after you receive it. So we're going to need to get rid of the TAM we had in 2015 because we cannot buy down a players contract for the 2016 season.

We could not use TAM for Mix because TAM didn't exist when we signed Mix. TAM came into league wide effect only during the 2015 mid season transfer window.

So, exactly what I said?

 

[NYCFCP]

It's hilarious that you guys are trying to make sense of the rules.