Put me on the Angelino bandwagon. I couldn't believe how confident and poised he was for an 18 year old
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Put me on the Angelino bandwagon. I couldn't believe how confident and poised he was for an 18 year old
Brilliant little player we have there (on loan). I love his confidence and his skill. He also has extremely good vision. People like Wingert should be ashamed of themselves that they get a paycheck for riding an 18-yr olds coat tails. Would take 5-6 more just like him. Just a joy to watch.
My thoughts after calming down
Saunders is a really good shot stopper. He's poor tactically. He's a poor distributor. He can't set up a wall to save his life. At one point in the game, it was obvious that Iraola just said, "F This," and was taking control of defensive positioning. It was like watching a tee ball game and the coach was on the field.
I was dissapoitned in Iraola's debut. Shows promise, but was mediocre defensively. I'll give him a pass as this was his first run out. Thought he played well going forward but it was obvious he had no connection with the team. Will be fun to see though if he fits in.
Kwame - Can't say anythign that hasn't already been said. Thought he actually played decent the first 15 or so minutes. I was surprised. A couple of nice challenges and then couldn't come close on a header that needs to be put in the net. Lost me when he didn't hustle back on the first goal. That was his fault.
Facey - solid as always. Giovinco and Toronto didn't even bother to go at him.
Wingert - miserable. His best play beyond the one tackle was when he jumped on Giovinco's back at the end of the game.
Angelino - WOW! What pace, what hustle. Great first touch. Creative player for a LB. Plays with flair. Thinks he's the best player on the field. Should be our starting Fullback out left.
Jacobsen - thought he was really strong tonight. Made up for a lot of the bad defense behind us. Was smart with distribution except for a few errant passes. All in all, a really good effort for him tonight. I don't know what the new formation will be, but I would like to see him in it.
McNamara - Played well. Not creative enough to play out wide. Thought his work rate was strong.
Grabavoy - had a nice touch towards the end of the game in the box. All in - mediocre game again. I understand why he stayed in late though as he can play wide left, but I'm sick of watching him play. Poor touch and poor distribution. Very bad field vision too.
Ballouchy - thought he put in a really nice effort today. A guy I want to see stick around. Very possibly could be our starting LM here in a few weeks and I would be OK with that. He's really become enjoyable to watch. Plays hard defensively. Plays with fight and spirit, but not dumb like RJ Allen.
Mullins - another solid effort here. I don't think he's a starter in this league just yet, but he played well today. Made 0 quality runs though.
Villa - great effort today. Even the best miss PKs. You could tell that he was energized by Iraola and Angelino. Angelino was fun to watch connect with him - like meeting your idol.
Poku - incomplete. Did nothing special today. But it's obvious the offense flows stronger when he is out there.
Pablo Alvarez - incomplete. Did nothing today.
Saunders is a really good shot stopper. He's poor tactically. He's a poor distributor. He can't set up a wall to save his life. At one point in the game, it was obvious that Iraola just said, "F This," and was taking control of defensive positioning. It was like watching a tee ball game and the coach was on the field.
I was dissapoitned in Iraola's debut. Shows promise, but was mediocre defensively. I'll give him a pass as this was his first run out. Thought he played well going forward but it was obvious he had no connection with the team. Will be fun to see though if he fits in.
Kwame - Can't say anythign that hasn't already been said. Thought he actually played decent the first 15 or so minutes. I was surprised. A couple of nice challenges and then couldn't come close on a header that needs to be put in the net. Lost me when he didn't hustle back on the first goal. That was his fault.
Facey - solid as always. Giovinco and Toronto didn't even bother to go at him.
Wingert - miserable. His best play beyond the one tackle was when he jumped on Giovinco's back at the end of the game.
Angelino - WOW! What pace, what hustle. Great first touch. Creative player for a LB. Plays with flair. Thinks he's the best player on the field. Should be our starting Fullback out left.
Jacobsen - thought he was really strong tonight. Made up for a lot of the bad defense behind us. Was smart with distribution except for a few errant passes. All in all, a really good effort for him tonight. I don't know what the new formation will be, but I would like to see him in it.
McNamara - Played well. Not creative enough to play out wide. Thought his work rate was strong.
Grabavoy - had a nice touch towards the end of the game in the box. All in - mediocre game again. I understand why he stayed in late though as he can play wide left, but I'm sick of watching him play. Poor touch and poor distribution. Very bad field vision too.
Ballouchy - thought he put in a really nice effort today. A guy I want to see stick around. Very possibly could be our starting LM here in a few weeks and I would be OK with that. He's really become enjoyable to watch. Plays hard defensively. Plays with fight and spirit, but not dumb like RJ Allen.
Mullins - another solid effort here. I don't think he's a starter in this league just yet, but he played well today. Made 0 quality runs though.
Villa - great effort today. Even the best miss PKs. You could tell that he was energized by Iraola and Angelino. Angelino was fun to watch connect with him - like meeting your idol.
Poku - incomplete. Did nothing special today. But it's obvious the offense flows stronger when he is out there.
Pablo Alvarez - incomplete. Did nothing today.
If I had the balls of Angelino, I would buy a 69 shirt and wear it publicly. Unfortunately, I do not.
Angelino looked fantastic. He probably spent more time in the final third than our fullbacks have the entire season combined. Early on he was pushing up and waving for the ball but we don't have anyone who really play a cross field ball other than Poku sometimes. I'm guessing Pirlo can remedy that to say the least.
I do think that they are going to need to adjust a bit to having fullbacks pushing so far up because it does leave us vulnerable when the midfield turns the ball over and stresses our center backs. Hopefully that gets solved through a combination of (i) better CBs (even if it just Hernandez coming back, (ii) fewer midfield turnovers as we get Pirlo in Lampard in, plus Mix back and (iii) the fact that there are virtually no players who are comparable to Giovinco.
I think its hard not to feel like that game was two points dropped, but it there is a lot to be excited about.
I do think that they are going to need to adjust a bit to having fullbacks pushing so far up because it does leave us vulnerable when the midfield turns the ball over and stresses our center backs. Hopefully that gets solved through a combination of (i) better CBs (even if it just Hernandez coming back, (ii) fewer midfield turnovers as we get Pirlo in Lampard in, plus Mix back and (iii) the fact that there are virtually no players who are comparable to Giovinco.
I think its hard not to feel like that game was two points dropped, but it there is a lot to be excited about.
I think your analysis is spot on. The first 20 minutes were bliss and I felt really good about a W and to be honest we should've been up 3-0. Who knew that missing a wide open net that early would've been a difference maker.
Kwame is awful, no if, ands or buts about it. The defensive back line was a complete joke and we were ripped to shreds because of it. For all the praise for Iraola, you were the only person to make note of the fact that he was almost solely responsible for Toronto's fourth goal and that's simply unacceptable. I do not think his debut was a good one.
He does have those balls. And he plays like it. I fucking love this kid already. He's right up my alley. I love people who let their dicks swing. He definitely does that.
Agreed with that. You can see the seeds of something exciting with him and it is the first match so we cannot put much stock in it, but he wasn't that impressive today in my mind.
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Kjbert shares my opinion of Iraola as well.
I also wanted to point out that in my opinion, based on all the results around us, this was a must win game. Very disappointing to just get the draw. This really set us back in our hunt for the playoffs. Must win next week against a weak Revs team.
I also wanted to point out that in my opinion, based on all the results around us, this was a must win game. Very disappointing to just get the draw. This really set us back in our hunt for the playoffs. Must win next week against a weak Revs team.
Surprised no one is giving Ballouchy credit for the dick move that earned his yellow. I laughed really hard at that one.
For all the negativity though, I really did enjoy this game. It was a fun one and instead of giving up we had some resolve for once and continued to fight back, never accepting the loss which would have been absolutely devastating. Based on how we started though, I really wish we walked away with the three points.
Tiger, I'll say that I sit right on the wing where I have watched all of our fullbacks shit the bed over the course of the year.
At least in the first half when he was in front of me, he managed to do more on both sides of the ball than the others have done in all other games combined.
He was such an improvement that I couldn't find fault with him even when I should have. I know, that's a fault on my part because I pride myself in giving no free passes. But by god, he was SOOOOOOOOO much better than what I was used to seeing. I can't criticise him. I'm overwhelmed with joy over not seeing The Brash Bros out there.
He was solid in defense and going forward. He some really slick touches to get us out of trouble and keep the ball out of Wingding and KWS's hands. Don't sleep on that. He didn't. He definitely took risks to keep the ball away from this incompetent assholes. Therefore, I love him even more.
So I thought some things about this were interesting. ESPN's "average tactical formation" for today's match is as follows:
Iraola (51) was practically playing as a winger, and only a teeny bit back from Alvarez's average position. Angelino (69) clearly held a high line most of the time he was on the pitch, which in general I'd say is a good thing. BUT, if we have both Iraola and Angelino that high up, you can see the huge holes where our center backs and CDM need to be. Clearly we should be playing sort of a 4 1 X X if Iraola and Angelino want to be the attacking fullbacks they are, with the 1 being Pirlo as often as possible. As for the other Xs...
Note how Poku (88) and Villa (7, duh) are playing as a front two for the time Poku is on. I like this. I think Poku could offer everything Nemec does in that position, and more. Then we have Mullins (14) playing almost as a CF. Grabavoy (11) and Ballouchy (20) are right behind him.
So I'm thinking maybe we go 4-1-3-2 with Angelino, Facey, (fill in good CB here... John when healthy, maybe Tefu?) and Iraola at the back, then Pirlo, then McNamara, Lampard and Mix in the middle, and Villa and Poku up top.
Mullins can sub in for Lampard, Shelton can sub in for Poku, etc., figure out the subs yourselves.
Iraola (51) was practically playing as a winger, and only a teeny bit back from Alvarez's average position. Angelino (69) clearly held a high line most of the time he was on the pitch, which in general I'd say is a good thing. BUT, if we have both Iraola and Angelino that high up, you can see the huge holes where our center backs and CDM need to be. Clearly we should be playing sort of a 4 1 X X if Iraola and Angelino want to be the attacking fullbacks they are, with the 1 being Pirlo as often as possible. As for the other Xs...
Note how Poku (88) and Villa (7, duh) are playing as a front two for the time Poku is on. I like this. I think Poku could offer everything Nemec does in that position, and more. Then we have Mullins (14) playing almost as a CF. Grabavoy (11) and Ballouchy (20) are right behind him.
So I'm thinking maybe we go 4-1-3-2 with Angelino, Facey, (fill in good CB here... John when healthy, maybe Tefu?) and Iraola at the back, then Pirlo, then McNamara, Lampard and Mix in the middle, and Villa and Poku up top.
Mullins can sub in for Lampard, Shelton can sub in for Poku, etc., figure out the subs yourselves.
Just watch the recap and still think Iraola should've been better. He looks promising though, and I still like how he gets forward.
The highlights of the Toronto goals really showed how bad KWS was. He was involved in all of them (though really the 4th has to be on Iraola). What was KWS thinking with that penalty?
Climb aboard!! I have already changed my avatar!!
I think you sit directly above me. 205 was it? I'm in 107 so I feel ya. I moved around a bit today because I couldn't handle the sun but I digress.
I'm being a bit harsh but he was responsible for that fourth goal, lost his man and couldn't keep up with him. I don't know if it was our formation or what but we were completely left completely open down the middle. The defense was glaringly bad, some of the worst we've seen this season. Maybe Iraola doesn't deserve the blame for tactics but I can only go by what I see.
Not to go all sandlot on you, but I'm gonna go all sandlot on you:
If he were thinking, he wouldn't have thought that.
I'm in 215, so my closest watching of him was in the first half. He definitely seemed to be pressing up higher in the 2nd half. I took it as him pushing for the win. I'll take aggressive positioning and confident touches all day. It beats the hell out of out of position and shit passing a la KWS and Wingding.
My favorite yellow of the game:
Iraola goes down and walks off with the trainer... As play resumes, Iraola just runs down the sideline a bit and straight back on the field. The ref was like "what the hell are you doing? Yellow!"
Iraola goes down and walks off with the trainer... As play resumes, Iraola just runs down the sideline a bit and straight back on the field. The ref was like "what the hell are you doing? Yellow!"
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