Stadium Discussion

[mgarbowski]

There are two subways that are "close" to Yonkers Raceway. The 2 train is almost two miles away, and the 1 train is four miles! Nobody is going to do this to get to a match.

The second closest subway is the No. 4, Woodlawn Station, at 2.8 miles away. It also has the most direct bus service to the Raceway.
None of this changes your overall point.

 

[Kevin]

Stop with all the upstate or LI talk it's NY(City)FootballClub. We would be just as good as NYRB playing in NJ if we aren't even in the City.

 

[SayWhat44]

CFG has only been lobbying 2 groups. The Mayors office and the Bronx. That should tell you something. They're still targeting the Bronx site as their #1 priority.

 

[Gotham Gator]

Long Island never supports any teams. I think the nets started there and nobody went to the islanders and no one goes to the Mets. Brooklyn might be the shit but guys with giant beards that sell $40 bottles of pickles are not there for the long run.

Long island does not support their teams while westchester northern jersey and fairfield do. Put the stadium in southern Yonkers at the racetrack

I gave you a like for the pickle reference. Close to pure genius.

I agree with you about LI fan support vs. Northern Burbs, although to be fair there aren't any teams actually IN Westchester or Connecticut.

That said, I live about 2 miles from the Yonkers Racetrack, and it is NOT a good option. There is nothing nearby. A highway on one side, houses on the other, and no place to pregame. Not the setting we want for our hip, urban football club.

 

[Gene]

I still maintain it's going to be the Bronx site.

The organization wants the site, because it's the best in the city.

The city wants to unload those garages and GAL wants out of his outdated building and into his new facility

I guess it's just a matter of time before they all pass around the numbers to make everybody satisfied and finagle it so everyone looks to be the winner.

 

[Seth]

I still maintain it's going to be the Bronx site.

The organization wants the site, because it's the best in the city.

The city wants to unload those garages and GAL wants out of his outdated building and into his new facility

I guess it's just a matter of time before they all pass around the numbers to make everybody satisfied and finagle it so everyone looks to be the winner.

I think *we* will be the winners if this happens at some point.

 

[LostAnvil]

The Mets are averaging over 31,000 per game and will top 2 1/2 million this year. Doesn't sound like "no one goes there" to me. Also they're not on Long Island, they're in New York City.

Facts are good.

Technically, Long Island comprises four counties: Kings, Queens, Nassau, and Suffolk

 

[northernburbs]

Hes talking about the mods. They happened organically, so they will stay. Greenwhich Village and the Bohemians stsyed. Chelsea and art stayed. Broadway and commercialism stayed. As long as residents of a neighborhood go there organically, it will stay[/QUOT

yes and quite drunk while doing so

 

[northernburbs]

No, none of this makes sense to me.

There are two subways that are "close" to Yonkers Raceway. The 2 train is almost two miles away, and the 1 train is four miles! Nobody is going to do this to get to a match. Even the railroad is a mile and half. Stamford is quicker because it's on Metro North, but that cost $25 round trip. Also, how are you going to fit 20,000 or 30,000 people or so on packed rush hour trains out of Grand Central? How many trains will they need to have going back into the city at night to get everyone back home? No, this is crazy. It was a mess getting everyone to Red Bull Arena and that was only a couple of thousand people. Now imagine 10x that many trying to get to Stamford. There's only four trains going back to the city between 9:56pm and 11:04pm. Can they fit 20,000 in? Also, people are willing to wait for a subway or two because they're only a few minutes apart, but who's going to want to wait for that fourth train at 11:04pm? That's two hours after the match ends.

It's not even worth starting a Mets/Yankees argument. You're talking about attendance *this* year, but season tickets lag a year or two behind team performance. If the Yankees place 4th for five years in a row how many season tickets will they sell in year 5? Or if the Mets win the Series this year yes, there'll be an increase in season tickets next year, sure. But it's going to take maybe five years in a row of good (and winning) teams to get a large increase in ticket sales. So sure, Jeter and Rivera sold a lot of season tickets to people who are still sitting in the stadium but they're both retired now. If the Yankees start losing for a few years in a row they'll still sell tickets but not nearly as many. And the Mets are the same, if they start their own "dynasty." It's going to take a number of years to get that up to speed though. To compare Mets vs. Yankees ticket sales has far too many variables. As another factor in ticket sales, people have been calling for Terry Collins' head as recently as the All Star game but now that they're winning he's a genius. (I may be saying the exact same thing about Kreis in a couple of years, but that's a different argument.)

Anyway, the point is that ticket sales have less to do with the fan base and corporate spending and far more to do with how the ownership is willing to build the team. If the Mets continued their non-spending ways we wouldn't be where we are now this season. But they shocked everyone and got a few good players and now they're in the playoffs. A few more years of this and who knows? But *that's* when we should be discussing season ticket sales and attendance numbers, not now after they've been awful for a number of years.

Anyway, my point here is that Yonkers is not going to work, in the same way that Belmont or Aqueduct won't work. And forget about Stamford as that's just completely unrealistic. Or perhaps Stamford could work, but that certainly won't be a New York team as nobody from the city will go to the games.

First don't spend so much effort on my 3:30 am drunken post.
now for the rest
Plenty of people right now are paying $25 to take the train to the game or paying that in parking so whats the big deal about $25
100000 people work in Stamford (and White Plains) and do so every day so the infrastructure is there to move people.
Mets are playing great and people are not going. I'm sure most people who follow baseball know Jeter and Rivera were not going to be there this year. People don't go to Shea because its a pain in the ass to get to.
why do you think no one from the city would not go to Stamford. I know plenty of Giants fans who go out to NJ to watch the games.
Once your a fan of a team most people don't care where they play.
Baseball is 81 games so people won't go to the meadowlands to watch it
Soccer is 17 every other week so people will make the trip like they do for 8 football games.

 

[northernburbs]

I gave you a like for the pickle reference. Close to pure genius.

I agree with you about LI fan support vs. Northern Burbs, although to be fair there aren't any teams actually IN Westchester or Connecticut.

That said, I live about 2 miles from the Yonkers Racetrack, and it is NOT a good option. There is nothing nearby. A highway on one side, houses on the other, and no place to pregame. Not the setting we want for our hip, urban football club.

I thought there were a bunch of bars off Mclean ave

 

[Kevin]

Technically, Long Island comprises four counties: Kings, Queens, Nassau, and Suffolk

Yes the island its self is made up of those four counties but we all know Kings and Queens are in NYC. Are you really going to try to pull that one in a forum for people in NYC?

 

[LostAnvil]

Yes the island its self is made up of those four counties but we all know Kings and Queens are in NYC. Are you really going to try to pull that one in a forum for people in NYC?

Kings and Queens are part of Long Island and boroughs of New York City. Yes, when people talk about Long Island, they're obviously referring to Nassau and Suffolk.

And sorry, no, this forum isn't for people in NYC. This is a forum for NYCFC supporters.

This club has fans from all over the place. Many of which are not in the city. Yes, I understand putting the stadium outside the city limits defeats the purpose of the name and what the club is going for. That wasn't my point.

 

[MagnusPax]

So is the Columbia Stadium project completely dead?

 

[Goodfella]

So is the Columbia Stadium project completely dead?

there's been no noise about it since the initial report. Columbia just laid down a brand new turf field and resurfaced the track around the football field in the stadium. That's a $1-$2M expense. Can't see them laying that out if there was a deal forthcoming.

 

[LionNYC]

there's been no noise about it since the initial report. Columbia just laid down a brand new turf field and resurfaced the track around the football field in the stadium. That's a $1-$2M expense. Can't see them laying that out if there was a deal forthcoming.

CFG: Here's $4 million for the trouble. And an additional $400 million for the stadium. I think they may have to rename Low Library to Etihad Airways Library.

 

[Goodfella]

CFG: Here's $4 million for the trouble. I think they may rename Low Library. Etihad Airways Library.

i hear ya. My thought as well. Just can't see throwing money out the window these days

 

[northernburbs]

So is the Columbia Stadium project completely dead?

Hope so

 

[bigapplepie]

You can count on me to cancel my season ticket if we move outside the city and go back to supporting the Timbers whose stadium is just as convenient.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

CFG has only been lobbying 2 groups. The Mayors office and the Bronx. That should tell you something. They're still targeting the Bronx site as their #1 priority.

Um Queen Borough President is there. None of this lobbying is recent so it doesn't tell us much other than the Bronx site use to be the #1 priority. Martin Edelman (who is a MCFC board member and lobbyist noted in the records) has said multiple times in the daily news and post this winter and spring that the Bronx site is dead and the team is focusing on Queens/Brooklyn.

 

[NYCFCFan10]

Yes, I, too, have kept believing that it will be the Bronx site.

It just makes too much sense for all involved. Everyone benefits and the neighborhood is already used to having a major stadium there.