Stadium Discussion

[mgarbowski]

This may well sound idiotic but why cannot the stadium be built over the road from the new Yankee stadium? Is something earmarked for Heritage Park or some other ideas for it. Clearly there was a stadium there once why not build over the original? Clearly something is blocking that idea, i was just wondering what.

The new Yankee Stadium was built over existing parkland. Getting a new park on the site of the old stadium was part of the deal for the neighborhood. Taking that away is a political non-starter, and frankly, would be rather unfair to that neighborhood.

 

[mrplow2000]

The new Yankee Stadium was built over existing parkland. Getting a new park on the site of the old stadium was part of the deal for the neighborhood. Taking that away is a political non-starter, and frankly, would be rather unfair to that neighborhood.

Thanks for that, yeah that makes it a non starter and clears up my question.

Right back to the drawing board and lights up pipe, striking Sherlock Holmes thinking position.

 

[Vires]

Yankees and Mets very seldom are both home, we should just tear down one of their ballparks and build a SSS in its place =)

 

[typicalcity]

I'm Sorry but Yeah of Course it is. This is New York, here is a reality check for everyone the City and State have Bigger things to worry about than a Stadium. Until the team wake up and realize the have to 100% fund the stadium themselves Find the area to build it and honestly make ALL the investment. It will still take 5 years.

The money side of the stadium won't be any problem at all to the owners.from what I'm reading finding the right location and the politics round it seem to be the issue.

 

[MagnusPax]

I've always been confused about how the league could be so involved in Flushing stadium project, then when it difficult just backed out. Next thing you know they are announcing NYCFC and basically saying "it's their problem now". Meanwhile cities like Miami have to a stadium plan in hand before they get a stadium.

If the league couldn't get it done, how is CFG going to? I guess money talks. Will CCG spend the money? I'm not so sure.

 

[franchise646]

I've always been confused about how the league could be so involved in Flushing stadium project, then when it difficult just backed out. Next thing you know they are announcing NYCFC and basically saying "it's their problem now". Meanwhile cities like Miami have to a stadium plan in hand before they get a stadium.

If the league couldn't get it done, how is CFG going to? I guess money talks. Will CCG spend the money? I'm not so sure.

The Mets killed it when the Yankees got involved.

 

[typicalcity]

I've always been confused about how the league could be so involved in Flushing stadium project, then when it difficult just backed out. Next thing you know they are announcing NYCFC and basically saying "it's their problem now". Meanwhile cities like Miami have to a stadium plan in hand before they get a stadium.

If the league couldn't get it done, how is CFG going to? I guess money talks. Will CCG spend the money? I'm not so sure.

Speaking from what we have seen already I would say certainly. What will be very important to them will be the pretental to develop the area around the ground.in Manchester they are investing in schools colleges and now hundreds of houses.across the road from the ground they have built the finest training academy in world football that takes kids from all ages to the first team.whilst expanding the stadium from 47.000 to a projected 75,000 in time .over in Australia they have just built Melbourne training facilities up there with the best.
If I was to say where you ground would be it will be in a rundown area with. Plenty of land around with plenty of housing./ factories that would benefit everyone if they were cleared and the area regenerated.
Have you got anywhere that fits that bill ?

 

[Gene]

The Mets killed it when the Yankees got involved.

The Mets and the USTA.

Notice how all of sudden nobody paid attention to the NIMBY's when the USTA made their land grab in the park?

NOTE TO NYCFC: Start making "donations" to the proper authority. It will definitely expedite things!

 

[BxLio91]

We don't have that in NYC.

 

[mgarbowski]

The Mets and the USTA.

Notice how all of sudden nobody paid attention to the NIMBY's when the USTA made their land grab in the park?

NOTE TO NYCFC: Start making "donations" to the proper authority. It will definitely expedite things!

The NIMBYs were in full force for that, but Dinkins wanted to be Mayor of TennisTown and pushed it through. Later he was on the USTA board. To be fair, I think the economic terms of the tennis deal were very favorable to the city.

 

[Gene]

No sir, I'm referring to the expansion of the tennis center that's taking place now or in the near future.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/big-approval-open-expansion-article-1.1351499

http://awalkintheparknyc.blogspot.com/2013/09/gov-cuomo-approves-ustas-500-million.html

 

[mrplow2000]

Speaking from what we have seen already I would say certainly. What will be very important to them will be the pretental to develop the area around the ground.in Manchester they are investing in schools colleges and now hundreds of houses.across the road from the ground they have built the finest training academy in world football that takes kids from all ages to the first team.whilst expanding the stadium from 47.000 to a projected 75,000 in time .over in Australia they have just built Melbourne training facilities up there with the best.
If I was to say where you ground would be it will be in a rundown area with. Plenty of land around with plenty of housing./ factories that would benefit everyone if they were cleared and the area regenerated.
Have you got anywhere that fits that bill ?

That is the problem there is very little land, its why everything is 20 miles in the sky.

What struck me when i went was the number of permits needed for anything. I actually stopped and had a look at what they said. Fuck me. It is chapter and verse on everything.

Permit No 6598788589/789/785478/568954-696985-896542/87-9658

No shitting on a Thursday, unless bank Holiday and or if not including to but hereby a-pertaining to previous injunctions, subject to previous bye laws, revoked or not, in conjunction with city and state laws on the understanding that the entrant (you) has no legal recourse and revokes all rights previously a-pertained and granted under the federal jurisdiction and waivered rights.
- That is for going to the shithouse in McDonalds.

52 squad cars for crossing the road which is not a junction. Gun up your ass and 100 meatheads asking if you have visited Pakistan.
- What? I am tourist, i don't understand you let alone know what to answer.
- A Brit eh? Do you know Eddie? he is from London.

Anyhow, no tc, it seems far from straight forward.

 

[LionNYC]

So last night I learned that a person I know was actually working for a consulting company hired to scout potential NYCFC stadium locations last year. We had a really great conversation. They were as interested in my side of the story as a fan as I was theirs as a consultant. Long story short, it's SO easy for us to just sit here, look at google maps and say, "here's some open space! Just build there!"

There is just SO much more behind the scenes beurocracy/studies that go into these things. They were working on the flushing meadows site. They worked on a study to figure out the impact of the Mets making a World Series run at the same time as NYCFC making a playoff run at the end. It sounded like a couple of factors that led to the failure were: 1) A fountain that community members did not want to see moved/destroyed. 2) Apperently there is some land owned by the military out there and they couldn't get the army core of engineers to reclassify small bits of land to be able to build something like a stadium on.

Really fascinating stuff. Stuff we will never understand as armchair constructors. I have to say, I am not confident in this stadium being built anytime soon after having this conversation.

The Mets making a World Series run? That's the funniest joke I've heard all week.

 

[LionNYC]

What happens first: NYC FC wins the MLS Cup or NYC FC has its own SSS?

 

[typicalcity]

That is the problem there is very little land, its why everything is 20 miles in the sky.

What struck me when i went was the number of permits needed for anything. I actually stopped and had a look at what they said. Fuck me. It is chapter and verse on everything.

Permit No 6598788589/789/785478/568954-696985-896542/87-9658

No shitting on a Thursday, unless bank Holiday and or if not including to but hereby a-pertaining to previous injunctions, subject to previous bye laws, revoked or not, in conjunction with city and state laws on the understanding that the entrant (you) has no legal recourse and revokes all rights previously a-pertained and granted under the federal jurisdiction and waivered rights.
- That is for going to the shithouse in McDonalds.

52 squad cars for crossing the road which is not a junction. Gun up your ass and 100 meatheads asking if you have visited Pakistan.
- What? I am tourist, i don't understand you let alone know what to answer.
- A Brit eh? Do you know Eddie? he is from London.

Anyhow, no tc, it seems far from straight forward.

Yeah but you know how it works I have £200 million quid I'd like to spend would you be interested ?
Come in take a seat.

 

[NYC_JC]

What happens first: NYC FC wins the MLS Cup or NYC FC has its own SSS?

Until they break ground for the SSS the MLS Cup is infinite more likely.

 

[typicalcity]

That is the problem there is very little land, its why everything is 20 miles in the sky.

What struck me when i went was the number of permits needed for anything. I actually stopped and had a look at what they said. Fuck me. It is chapter and verse on everything.

Permit No 6598788589/789/785478/568954-696985-896542/87-9658

No shitting on a Thursday, unless bank Holiday and or if not including to but hereby a-pertaining to previous injunctions, subject to previous bye laws, revoked or not, in conjunction with city and state laws on the understanding that the entrant (you) has no legal recourse and revokes all rights previously a-pertained and granted under the federal jurisdiction and waivered rights.
- That is for going to the shithouse in McDonalds.

52 squad cars for crossing the road which is not a junction. Gun up your ass and 100 meatheads asking if you have visited Pakistan.
- What? I am tourist, i don't understand you let alone know what to answer.
- A Brit eh? Do you know Eddie? he is from London.

Anyhow, no tc, it seems far from straight forward.

Speaking as someone who has no idea about new York,I have this impression of the Bronx being a rough rundown area ,sorry if it isn't.but going off the master plan there used in Manchester would that be an option.coming from the regeneration community angle ?

 

[LionNYC]

The 5 years estimate is a pretty good figure. In 2017, we vote de Blasio out of office. In 2018, we begin construction. In 2020, we open. 5 years.

 

[Buckley]

I have no doubt that these guys will get it done within 5 years, I'm leaning more towards the 3 year mark...stadium will probably take a year and a half to build, so I'm guessing we will find out sometime next season

 

[Vires]

Speaking as someone who has no idea about new York,I have this impression of the Bronx being a rough rundown area ,sorry if it isn't.but going off the master plan there used in Manchester would that be an option.coming from the regeneration community angle ?

Issue is unless its directly next to the train people will not go to the games. Public transportation starts to thin out in the Bronx very quickly.