One piece of advice from Dr. Mrs. Gotham on the 2nd shot. You are not supposed to take any ibuprofen or acetaminophen prior to getting the 2nd shot. However, if you later develop fever or aches, it’s okay to take it then.
Will You Get The Vaccine?
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I was talking to my kids pediatrician about it today and she mentioned this as well. Personally, I'm kind of a hippie and refuse to take even OTC meds unless absolutely necessary, so I didn't take any beforehand or during the side effect phase. Unfortunately, she did point out that blueberries, my personal substitute for Doritos, are naturally anti-inflammatory. I probably had about 1lb during the day before the shot and that weirdly may have contributed to my reaction.
Last week availability opened up to those over 30 and my fiance was able to get me scheduled for Wednesday 3/31 at 4:10pm, and herself for Thursday 4/1 at 4pm, both at the HHS site in Queens at Martin Van Buren High School.
The site said to not show up until 5 minutes beforehand as they have nowhere for you to wait. I tried to get there a bit earlier than that, but had some transit mishaps and showed up right on time, to find an incredibly long line around the block. I ultimately ended up waiting about 2 hours and 15 minutes to get my first shot. (and the weather happened to be miserable, glad I at least brought an umbrella, as many others were getting soaked in line)
I of course passed along this info to my fiance who looked to get to her appt much earlier. She ended up arriving about 40 minutes before her appointment to find that she, had no line whatsoever to wait in. She went in and got her first dose thirty minutes earlier than scheduled and was out the door after the observation period 1 minute after her scheduled time.
Kinda funny altogether. It did appear that my ordeal was just a fluke and I think HHS accidentally opened up more timeslots than they should have. But even with the incredibly long line, I was impressed with how efficient they were at getting people registered, getting the shot, observation, and scheduling second doses.
The site said to not show up until 5 minutes beforehand as they have nowhere for you to wait. I tried to get there a bit earlier than that, but had some transit mishaps and showed up right on time, to find an incredibly long line around the block. I ultimately ended up waiting about 2 hours and 15 minutes to get my first shot. (and the weather happened to be miserable, glad I at least brought an umbrella, as many others were getting soaked in line)
I of course passed along this info to my fiance who looked to get to her appt much earlier. She ended up arriving about 40 minutes before her appointment to find that she, had no line whatsoever to wait in. She went in and got her first dose thirty minutes earlier than scheduled and was out the door after the observation period 1 minute after her scheduled time.
Kinda funny altogether. It did appear that my ordeal was just a fluke and I think HHS accidentally opened up more timeslots than they should have. But even with the incredibly long line, I was impressed with how efficient they were at getting people registered, getting the shot, observation, and scheduling second doses.
At exactly 8 am the wording on the NY State Vaccine pages changed, and so did the questions on the Am I Eligible page. The York College site (Queens only) had so many openings in the next few weeks I had my pick and was able to schedule my 16-year old daughter at a date that does not conflict with her minefield of a schedule with multiple AP tests, SAT tests, regular tests, learners permit tests, etc., even allowing for 2 days recovery after the second shot. My other girl at school in Michigan got her first shot Saturday so Team Garbo is all good with vaccines.
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If you want to convince the mildly hesitant vaccine holdouts to get the shots, you need to give them a reason to do so. Telling the public that vaccination changes nothing, offers no additional openings, no extra freedom, no relaxation, just keep wearing masks and distancing and no gatherings and goodness don't travel -- indefinitely -- because now is not the time to loosen up -- is the stupidest, most counterproductive messaging possible. Which is of course the message coming from the CDC, both in interviews and and on radio ads I heard three times this morning in roughly 30 minutes. Also suspending J&J for a lower blood clot incidence than birth control pills was completely stupid and hurtful. Then the same idiots wonder why some people won't get the shot.
Eligibility and supply issues aside:
First we vaxxed the people who would climb through barbed wire to get the shot.
Second the folks not quite so motivated but still have no hesitation. We're giving them shots now.
Third are the mildly hesitant, and we are failing completely in giving them a reason to step up.
Group 4 are the extreme anti-vaxxers and I don't give a damn.
We are beyond the time where this was necessary. Open ended, "just a little longer" messaging is worthless. Give us guideposts. I want deadlines. "Once XX% are vaccinated," or whatever. I still think everything has to end about 2 months after we're at the point where anyone who wants o get vaccinated can get vaccinated. From the recent reports, I think that 2 month period has started, which makes my first point so damn important.
Eligibility and supply issues aside:
First we vaxxed the people who would climb through barbed wire to get the shot.
Second the folks not quite so motivated but still have no hesitation. We're giving them shots now.
Third are the mildly hesitant, and we are failing completely in giving them a reason to step up.
Group 4 are the extreme anti-vaxxers and I don't give a damn.
We just hit 50% of adults with at least one shot, which means in 4 weeks we'll be at 50% of adults fully vaccinated. I think at that point things will begin to rapidly ease. And by then we should be up to perhaps as much as 70% of adults with their first shots, so I really do think we are about to see a rapid easing of restrictions, perhaps even as early as Memorial Day.
Exactly. I am super cautious and was pretty quick to shut my life down. But this is just dumb... it is poor decision making, poor assessment of risk (both on the lack of easing up on the vaccinated and on "pausing" J&J), poor application of science, and poor marketing.
I am grateful for the precautions the club is putting into place to keep us safe. At this point I don't think they are over the top. There are still situations when attending a game that could lead to transmission without these precautions. There will also be part of the population that will circumvent these precautions, ie not wearing a mask, coming to game with symptoms and/or faking their vaccine passports (something I have already heard people say they would do).
The only motivations people should need to get the vaccine is to protect themselves from getting seriously ill and protecting their loved ones, friend, coworkers, neighbors from the same thing, it should have nothing to do with getting out to wearing a mask. It is pretty shallow for someone to say well if it doesn't get me out wearing a mask then I just won't get the vaccine. It has been difficult to get people to wear a mask and to enforce it, how much more difficult will it be to enforce with two separate requirements?? It would be one thing if everyone had the empathy to do the right thing and follow guidelines as well as get vaccinated, unfortunately that isn't the case.
Finally, there are some pretty scary sounding variants out there that should give people enough pause that they really can't say it is safe not to wear a mask. If they tell people it is safe now not to wear a mask and then a variant pops up that the vaccines aren't effective against they then have to reverse course and tell people to wear a mask again. How well is that going to go over???? What's worse, if we don't get to a high enough percentage of the population vaccinated, then we don't get the virus under control and the likelihood of more variants increases. Given the part of the population that has already said they won't get it I have a feeling we're in for a long haul. Hopefully not.
The only motivations people should need to get the vaccine is to protect themselves from getting seriously ill and protecting their loved ones, friend, coworkers, neighbors from the same thing, it should have nothing to do with getting out to wearing a mask. It is pretty shallow for someone to say well if it doesn't get me out wearing a mask then I just won't get the vaccine. It has been difficult to get people to wear a mask and to enforce it, how much more difficult will it be to enforce with two separate requirements?? It would be one thing if everyone had the empathy to do the right thing and follow guidelines as well as get vaccinated, unfortunately that isn't the case.
Finally, there are some pretty scary sounding variants out there that should give people enough pause that they really can't say it is safe not to wear a mask. If they tell people it is safe now not to wear a mask and then a variant pops up that the vaccines aren't effective against they then have to reverse course and tell people to wear a mask again. How well is that going to go over???? What's worse, if we don't get to a high enough percentage of the population vaccinated, then we don't get the virus under control and the likelihood of more variants increases. Given the part of the population that has already said they won't get it I have a feeling we're in for a long haul. Hopefully not.
Yeah, people are dumb and selfish, so need to give them an incentive to get a vaccine.
As for variants - data already out saying existing vaccines highly effective against current variants... need to stop spreading fear/panic.
Data has been out for months that the vaccine also helps prevent the spread of COVID, but that messaging still isn't happening. It's still just "the vaccine only prevents you from being hospitalized and developing severe cases, it doesn't prevent you from getting it and spreading it to others."
there are conflicting studies. Some say the vaccines are highly effective against variants. Some say they are multiples less effective against variants. Some say the variants break through the vaccine like butter. I admit, I haven't gone through every single study or narrowed them down to specific variants, but it seems clear enough to me that nothing is quite clear yet.
That being the case, the safest thing to do right now is be vigilant and keep up with precautions, if only to maintain preventative behaviors of mask wearing and social distancing. We need to snuff this thing out before it has a chance to continue mutating and circumventing the vaccines completely putting us all back to square one.
As for those saying there should be incentives for people to get vaccinated - um.. krispy kreme? need I say more?
I'm not willing to cater to the extreme anti-vaxxers, nor to the super scared and timid.
The majority of people don't read studies or closely track the news. Their knowledge matrix is
Congratulations. You just won an ethics debate nobody is having. This is a public health messaging issue.
The majority of people don't read studies or closely track the news. Their knowledge matrix is
- We have a scary dangerous virus, which I know because they made us stay home, keep distance and wear masks.
- There is a vaccine, but they're not promising to end those things after people get the shots so it must not work very good.
- They just banned one of the vaccines, so they must be more dangerous than the virus.
Yep. Crappy marketing and PR. Back to the fact that they're really screwing up the chance to share any good news and motivate people to get vaccinated.
Even "slightly less effective" would still be "highly effective".... we don't need 90+% effectiveness (that's pretty atypical for a vaccine).
Here's one link: https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/...cine-appears-effective-against-Brazil-variant
I'm a science/engineering guy. I was quick to shut down when this started last year. I am no anti-mask "COVID isn't a big deal" guy... quite the opposite. But we are seeing poor decision making, crappy risk analysis, crappy communication, fear-mongering, and just downright misinformation now.
The J&J thing is infuriating, for example. Just an awful decision in terms of ending this thing as quickly as possible.
Not quite sure you are going to get 70% of adults to be vaccinated. There is more supply than demand already it appears. We’re stalled.
I wouldn't agree with that just yet. Here in MA at least, getting an appointment has still been challenging and we only opened up to all adults today which will only make it harder. I think NY books appointments weeks in advance still (?) So some people who have appointments in a few weeks are content, whereas in MA we're generally only booking appointments for doses in hand over the next 5 days so demand is still high. I bet the number of NY'ers with either a shot or a booked appointment is pretty high.
Getting this thread back off-topic for a sec, the CDC says 0.007% of people who’ve been vaccinated contracted COVID.
www.cnbc.com
CDC says fewer than 6,000 Americans have contracted Covid after being fully vaccinated
U.S. officials have confirmed fewer than 6,000 cases of Covid-19 in fully vaccinated Americans, just 0.007% of the 84 million Americans with full protection.
Bringing the Covid discussion back in here...
Regarding vaccine uptake, this is a good resource.
As of yesterday (April 18), the 7-day average in the U.S. was 3.194 million doses administered. That was basically flat from 3.141 million one week earlier (April 11) and up considerably from the 2.503 million 7-day average one month earlier (March 18).
The trend over the last week is basically flat, but that's probably due more to the J&J vaccine suddenly not being available than anything else.
Right now, the one dose rate is 49.1% of those eligible to receive the vaccine (i.e. 16 and older) and 39.5% overall. The full vaccination rate is 31.6% and 25.4%, respectively. At the current rate of vaccination, we are giving a shot to nearly 1% of the population every day - 6.7% per week. To get to 70% fully vaccinated at current rates would take 46 days - and this conservatively assumes that all further vaccinations are with a two-shot vaccine. That's June 3.
Regarding vaccine uptake, this is a good resource.
As of yesterday (April 18), the 7-day average in the U.S. was 3.194 million doses administered. That was basically flat from 3.141 million one week earlier (April 11) and up considerably from the 2.503 million 7-day average one month earlier (March 18).
The trend over the last week is basically flat, but that's probably due more to the J&J vaccine suddenly not being available than anything else.
Right now, the one dose rate is 49.1% of those eligible to receive the vaccine (i.e. 16 and older) and 39.5% overall. The full vaccination rate is 31.6% and 25.4%, respectively. At the current rate of vaccination, we are giving a shot to nearly 1% of the population every day - 6.7% per week. To get to 70% fully vaccinated at current rates would take 46 days - and this conservatively assumes that all further vaccinations are with a two-shot vaccine. That's June 3.
I think at this point if there isn’t an increase in site locations it will be difficult to increase per day vaccination. The store I work for has been administering at all 1200 locations 6 days a week for the last 1-2 months and it’s been at full capacity the entire time. 1 shot every 15 minutes. It’s put a great deal of stress on the pharmacists as they still have to perform their daily duties and administer flu/shingles/etc vaccines. Hopefully we see light at the end of the tunnel soon. Theyve also opened it up to 18+ and I see younger people there every day which is a great sign.
