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[moogoo]

Winterization? Yeah, perhaps. Seems a bit made up.

I gave up long ago caring if YS has a legal sized field, but if it isn’t legal MLS is able to turn a blind eye to it being a single entity league; other teams have cried foul, but in the end the league could mandate is as league compliant. Concacaf is a different story. There wouldn’t be any exemptions from them for a narrow pitch, and YS “not being available” is an easier sell to maintain the charade than being available and not meeting the standards. Our FO gets zero rope on matters any longer, they may be saying next round they’re submitting YS/Citi, but as far as I’m concerned that’s all lip service until the venue is announced; they’ve twisted the truth so many times in the past that I expect them to lie to us while only submitting RBA to Concacaf for the next round.

All I want is for them to own it and be up front about it. They failed this time to get ahead of the story. There’s zero reason to believe they’ll do better next time.

Truth is we don't know exactly what happened or what the reasons are. We can only speculate. There could be any number of reasons the venues could be denied that have nothing to do with the field dimensions. St John's obviously didn't get denied for field dimensions.

If ys or citi were denied due to field dimensions, I can see the club wanting to hide that. But truth is there are so many other venue regulations that were probably not or could not be satisfied before even taking into consideration the field dimensions.

Anyway, the reality is we don't know and we have to accept it and support our team. There's light at the end of this very long, very dark tunnel. But we'll get there guys.. and hopefully we will already have some shiny silverware to decorate with when we do.

 

[Ulrich]

Truth is we don't know exactly what happened or what the reasons are. We can only speculate. There could be any number of reasons the venues could be denied that have nothing to do with the field dimensions. St John's obviously didn't get denied for field dimensions.

If ys or citi were denied due to field dimensions, I can see the club wanting to hide that. But truth is there are so many other venue regulations that were probably not or could not be satisfied before even taking into consideration the field dimensions.

Anyway, the reality is we don't know and we have to accept it and support our team. There's light at the end of this very long, very dark tunnel. But we'll get there guys.. and hopefully we will already have some shiny silverware to decorate with when we do.

Haha, uh, field size is the first variable to be satisfied before anything else. Doesn’t matter if it’s got all the bells/whistles of Camp Nou, if the field is too small it won’t fly.

Never said the other field were denied for field size. But as to the other stadiums not making the cut, who knows, there could be contractual items when dealing with a university that made it a no-go. Or the facilities/capacity wasn’t there. Don’t know and don’t care. It’s just that at this point, I won’t give the team the benefit of the doubt that YS/Citi are options for the next round until one is officially announced as the approved venue.

 

[moogoo]

Haha, uh, field size is the first variable to be satisfied before anything else. Doesn’t matter if it’s got all the bells/whistles of Camp Nou, if the field is too small it won’t fly.

Never said the other field were denied for field size. But as to the other stadiums not making the cut, who knows, there could be contractual items when dealing with a university that made it a no-go. Or the facilities/capacity wasn’t there. Don’t know and don’t care. It’s just that at this point, I won’t give the team the benefit of the doubt that YS/Citi are options for the next round until one is officially announced as the approved venue.

My point is that they could have passed the field dimensions part but failed any of the others. But we don't really know and probably never will.

 

[Shwafta]

I have a legit question someone please answer me.

Is Yankee Stadium used for anything during the winter? I don't just mean sports, I mean anything? Or is it completely empty until NYCFC season begins / other things?

 

[mgarbowski]

I have a legit question someone please answer me.

Is Yankee Stadium used for anything during the winter? I don't just mean sports, I mean anything? Or is it completely empty until NYCFC season begins / other things?

There is a college football bowl game held on or around New year's day, and most years one regular cfb game is held in late fall, occasionally on MLS Cup day.

 

[Fantazma]

I have a legit question someone please answer me.

Is Yankee Stadium used for anything during the winter? I don't just mean sports, I mean anything? Or is it completely empty until NYCFC season begins / other things?

outside the football game in December i think nothing on the field takes place until March. I think they do stadium tours but thats not really an event.

 

[Shwafta]

outside the football game in December i think nothing on the field takes place until March. I think they do stadium tours but thats not really an event.

There is a college football bowl game held on or around New year's day, and most years one regular cfb game is held in late fall, occasionally on MLS Cup day.

Thanks, I was just wondering if the 'winterization' thing is legitimate or not. Could be they don't use the field during that time or have some policy.

 

[Ulrich]

I have a legit question someone please answer me.

Is Yankee Stadium used for anything during the winter? I don't just mean sports, I mean anything? Or is it completely empty until NYCFC season begins / other things?

The NHL has a game between the Islanders and the Rangers on Jan 29th 2014.

Three days earlier, January 26th 2014 the Devils hosted the Rangers at Yankee stadium.

 

[Gotham Gator]

I think the point is that between the Pinstripe Bowl on December 27 and our home opener on March 14, there were no planned events at Yankee Stadium. It is reasonable to expect that after the bowl game, they shut down the stadium for the season. This would include covering the field, but it would be more than just that. The stadium is mostly open to the outside. I have to think that prepping it for a long winter break involves taking a lot of things off the concourse and otherwise covering them up. Water would have to be turned off too. There are probably a bunch of things involved that we can't even imagine.

 

[ZYanksRule]

I think the point is that between the Pinstripe Bowl on December 27 and our home opener on March 14, there were no planned events at Yankee Stadium. It is reasonable to expect that after the bowl game, they shut down the stadium for the season. This would include covering the field, but it would be more than just that. The stadium is mostly open to the outside. I have to think that prepping it for a long winter break involves taking a lot of things off the concourse and otherwise covering them up. Water would have to be turned off too. There are probably a bunch of things involved that we can't even imagine.

This is true, but they would have known about this CCL game back in September. So it stands to reason they could have had the stadium ready for February because they would have had the lead time.

So the question is, did NYCFC tell the Yankees/stadium operations they would find another solution for this first game, then everything fell through? Was there another reason the stadium could not be prepared?

We also know they re-sod the grass every spring, so it's possible the only reason the NHL games were played is that they don't use the grass. You're right, there's a ton of reasons Yankee Stadium wouldn't be available, but considering the four months of lead time, you have to ask the front office why it wasn't available just two weeks before the regular-season opener. We're only talking about 17 extra days between CCL and the MLS home opener -- so it's not like we're turning the stadium off in December, turning it back on two months early.

 

[moogoo]

So anybody here actually planning on attending? Plenty saying they can't make it cause of time and commute, which is understandable. Just wondering if anyone is actually going

 

[moogoo]

This is true, but they would have known about this CCL game back in September. So it stands to reason they could have had the stadium ready for February because they would have had the lead time.

So the question is, did NYCFC tell the Yankees/stadium operations they would find another solution for this first game, then everything fell through? Was there another reason the stadium could not be prepared?

We also know they re-sod the grass every spring, so it's possible the only reason the NHL games were played is that they don't use the grass. You're right, there's a ton of reasons Yankee Stadium wouldn't be available, but considering the four months of lead time, you have to ask the front office why it wasn't available just two weeks before the regular-season opener. We're only talking about 17 extra days between CCL and the MLS home opener -- so it's not like we're turning the stadium off in December, turning it back on two months early.

This is what I brought up earlier in this thread. There was definitely notice that we'd need a venue. But we just don't know..

 

[Gotham Gator]

This is true, but they would have known about this CCL game back in September. So it stands to reason they could have had the stadium ready for February because they would have had the lead time.

So the question is, did NYCFC tell the Yankees/stadium operations they would find another solution for this first game, then everything fell through? Was there another reason the stadium could not be prepared?

We also know they re-sod the grass every spring, so it's possible the only reason the NHL games were played is that they don't use the grass. You're right, there's a ton of reasons Yankee Stadium wouldn't be available, but considering the four months of lead time, you have to ask the front office why it wasn't available just two weeks before the regular-season opener. We're only talking about 17 extra days between CCL and the MLS home opener -- so it's not like we're turning the stadium off in December, turning it back on two months early.

The part I bolded above is what I think happened. I doubt the Club ever intended to play this game in Yankee Stadium. The expected crowd is way too low. It is likely the Club viewed this the way they view an early round US Open Cup game - keep it to a smaller, cheaper venue. The problem is that that all fell through in the last week or so, and by then it was too late.

 

[Shwafta]

This is true, but they would have known about this CCL game back in September. So it stands to reason they could have had the stadium ready for February because they would have had the lead time.

So the question is, did NYCFC tell the Yankees/stadium operations they would find another solution for this first game, then everything fell through? Was there another reason the stadium could not be prepared?

We also know they re-sod the grass every spring, so it's possible the only reason the NHL games were played is that they don't use the grass. You're right, there's a ton of reasons Yankee Stadium wouldn't be available, but considering the four months of lead time, you have to ask the front office why it wasn't available just two weeks before the regular-season opener. We're only talking about 17 extra days between CCL and the MLS home opener -- so it's not like we're turning the stadium off in December, turning it back on two months early.

I think this is true but you also have to remember assuming the 'shutting down the stadium for a few months' is more than just 'have it ready by february' - do you then re-close it for just 3 weeks? Do you just foot the operation costs for those few weeks on NYCFC? It's such an extra hassle for one game with so little fans attending that it doesn't seem worth it on all fronts.

This is all assuming they do shut down the stadium in some capacity.

 

[Gotham Gator]

The part I bolded above is what I think happened. I doubt the Club ever intended to play this game in Yankee Stadium. The expected crowd is way too low. It is likely the Club viewed this the way they view an early round US Open Cup game - keep it to a smaller, cheaper venue. The problem is that that all fell through in the last week or so, and by then it was too late.

I had time to check quickly. For the 5 opening round home matches in last year's CCL, Sporting KC reported a crowd of almost 14,000, New Jersey reported a crowd of 3,417, and Atlanta, Toronto and Houston did not release figures for the crowd size. Atlanta's game was played at a different area venue with a capacity of 10,500.

 

[moogoo]

I had time to check quickly. For the 5 opening round home matches in last year's CCL, Sporting KC reported a crowd of almost 14,000, New Jersey reported a crowd of 3,417, and Atlanta, Toronto and Houston did not release figures for the crowd size. Atlanta's game was played at a different area venue with a capacity of 10,500.

You're probably right on why they didn't go for Yankee stadium right away. Attendance just doesn't justify it. But I feel like they could have planned for it as the backup in case another venue couldn't be found. Especially since venue should have been take care of months ago. That way we wouldn't have to be playing in NJ.

But also, if attendance is the true reason for not opening the stadium up, then why talk about it as being available next round?

A lot of speculation. A lot of unknowns. Let's just hope we make it to the next round. I'll be honest.. I'm slightly worried about how we're gonna perform in cr

 

[Fantazma]

You're probably right on why they didn't go for Yankee stadium right away. Attendance just doesn't justify it. But I feel like they could have planned for it as the backup in case another venue couldn't be found. Especially since venue should have been take care of months ago. That way we wouldn't have to be playing in NJ.

But also, if attendance is the true reason for not opening the stadium up, then why talk about it as being available next round?

A lot of speculation. A lot of unknowns. Let's just hope we make it to the next round. I'll be honest.. I'm slightly worried about how we're gonna perform in cr

i mean possibly playing against tigres sounds more appealing. plus their fans tend to travel too so more people can show up.

 

[SoupInNYC]

This brings me back to the club just being incompetent or not giving a shit. The club built “one of the top training facilities in MLS” (paraphrased quote), which we all know is BS. You know what most of the top training facilities in MLS have? A small stadium for pre-season, cup matches and for their minor league affiliate. Even NJ has one. If we knew a stadium was years away (and the club sure did) and that USOC matches & now CCL matches would be an issue, why not build one of those in this world class training facility? And better yet build it and the facility in the 5 Boroughs so you can stay true to brand that the club plays all its matches in NYC? QBFC figured out how to put up a small venue in queens by public transportation. Why is it so hard for NYCFC with all its resources to do so over the last 5 years (and in Westchester at the very least)? Prob for the same reason Reyna and Dome probably left; because at the end of the day the hired staff (including sims) may be trying their damn best to give us the best product they can, but ownership who writes the checks just doesn’t give two shits about this club.

Red Bulls have a smaller stadium somewhere else? Where?

I could be wrong, but I don’t think there’s one at their training facility. I’ve seen it from the outside in person (have not been inside) and it doesn’t look like there’s anything close to a stadium there, not matter what size.

 

[Ulrich]

Red Bulls have a smaller stadium somewhere else? Where?

I could be wrong, but I don’t think there’s one at their training facility. I’ve seen it from the outside in person (have not been inside) and it doesn’t look like there’s anything close to a stadium there, not matter what size.

Looks like they have permanent seating of some capacity along one sideline. 5 rows & 5 sections. Also lighting around the sides. No idea what else.

 

[FredMertz]

The part I bolded above is what I think happened. I doubt the Club ever intended to play this game in Yankee Stadium. The expected crowd is way too low. It is likely the Club viewed this the way they view an early round US Open Cup game - keep it to a smaller, cheaper venue. The problem is that that all fell through in the last week or so, and by then it was too late.

There's no way they could get a playable surface into the Stadium for February 26 without significant expense, above and beyond the already significant expense just to turn the lights on and bring security in, etc.