NYCFC Confirm Departure of PV. Nice Confirm Arrival of PV as Manager.

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We have a few Vieira threads on the Teams News and Rumors thread. Could merge it there, but let's see where this ones goes. We're still talking about Dome on his thread there too.
 
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Right. We never had a Vieira thread like the one we have going for Dome.
Yeah, we had the Vieira welcome thread. Then a Sainte Etienne thread. Then a departure thread. Which hasn't been active since October 2018. But there's more recent discussion on the Vieira welcome thread. So I'm going to merge it there.
 

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It continues to completely baffle me how fast European teams let go of coaches. Careening from philosophy to philosophy every couple years, never keeping someone long enough to actually get a foothold.
 

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It continues to completely baffle me how fast European teams let go of coaches. Careening from philosophy to philosophy every couple years, never keeping someone long enough to actually get a foothold.
Whereas NYCFC hires coaches with ambitions to quit on us after a couple of years so they can be hired by the type of clubs who will fire them after a couple of years, or a few weeks.
LOL
 

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Whereas NYCFC hires coaches with ambitions to quit on us after a couple of years so they can be hired by the type of clubs who will fire them after a couple of years, or a few weeks.
LOL
I don't begrudge Vieira for going to Nice -- it was a great opportunity for him, and his two full seasons there were pretty good by all indications. He'll land on his feet somewhere.

And to be honest, we shouldn't want coaches who have no ambition to manage in a better league. We should want coaches like Vieira and Dome, even if it means we are going to be saddled with a new coach every 2-3 years.
 

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I don't begrudge Vieira for going to Nice -- it was a great opportunity for him, and his two full seasons there were pretty good by all indications. He'll land on his feet somewhere.

And to be honest, we shouldn't want coaches who have no ambition to manage in a better league. We should want coaches like Vieira and Dome, even if it means we are going to be saddled with a new coach every 2-3 years.
And I'll stop considering this a Stockholm Syndrome - level rationalization once one of these oh so ambitious coaches pulls a Tata Martino and actually wins something for us before leaving. And though I bear no ill will to Dome Torrent, Vieira dragged out his negotiations over 2+ months during our season, travelled to Europe during our season, lied repeatedly and directly with no attempt at face saving deflection, directly was responsible for the destruction of the 2018 season when our new coach took a team running at >2.00 PPG & earned 10 points in 12 games retooling everything midseason because Vieira abandoned us midseason, and he can go FRO and I allow myself a celebratory sip of my very expensive 25-year old Scotch every time he fails.


 
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And I'll stop considering this a Stockholm Syndrome - level rationalization once one of these oh so ambitious coaches pulls a Tata Martino and actually wins something for us before leaving. And though I bear no ill will to Dome Torrent, Vieira dragged out his negotiations over 2+ months during our season, travelled to Europe during our season, lied repeatedly and directly with no attempt at face saving deflection, directly was responsible for the destruction of the 2018 season when our new coach took a team running at >2.00 PPG & earned 10 points in 12 games retooling everything midseason because Vieira abandoned us midseason, and he can go FRO and I allow myself a celebratory sip of my very expensive 25-year old Scotch every time he fails.
Not really sure why we celebrate our best players heading off to Europe for better opportunities and clubs while we revile our coaches for doing the same thing. Not trying to be snarky or combative, just been wondering this for a while now. Personally I want our best players and coaches to stay here, although I certainly understand that playing careers are short and you need to do what you need to do. It's just that I want Scally and Reyna on our field, ya know? Happy to have a sip o' that scotch as well though.
 

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Not really sure why we celebrate our best players heading off to Europe for better opportunities and clubs while we revile our coaches for doing the same thing. Not trying to be snarky or combative, just been wondering this for a while now. Personally I want our best players and coaches to stay here, although I certainly understand that playing careers are short and you need to do what you need to do. It's just that I want Scally and Reyna on our field, ya know? Happy to have a sip o' that scotch as well though.
I personally don't think there's a problem with them going off to Europe or for better opportunities... it's just when they do it midseason and screw us over that it sucks. If Dome had gotten a job in La Liga or something else, and left at the end of that offseason like he did, then I don't think many people would have been mad. If he left half way through the season like Vieira, people would have been way more mad. That's, at least, what it boils down to for me.
 

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I personally don't think there's a problem with them going off to Europe or for better opportunities... it's just when they do it midseason and screw us over that it sucks. If Dome had gotten a job in La Liga or something else, and left at the end of that offseason like he did, then I don't think many people would have been mad. If he left half way through the season like Vieira, people would have been way more mad. That's, at least, what it boils down to for me.
MLS calendar limits that, most euro teams want someone at the start of their pre season not in the middle of season. only teams struggling ( or in relegation trouble) tend to have openings when MLS is done. a manager could leave MLS at the end of the season to a struggling team and take a risk but its probably at a disadvantage and not worth it.
 
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MLS calendar limits that, most euro teams want someone at the start of their pre season not in the middle of season. only teams struggling ( or in relegation trouble) tend to have openings when MLS is done. a manager could leave MLS at the end of the season to a struggling team and take a risk but its probably at a disadvantage and not worth it.
Exactly. Being out of sync with the rest of the world is yet another reason MLS is at a huge disadvantage.
 

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MLS calendar limits that, most euro teams want someone at the start of their pre season not in the middle of season. only teams struggling ( or in relegation trouble) tend to have openings when MLS is done. a manager could leave MLS at the end of the season to a struggling team and take a risk but its probably at a disadvantage and not worth it.
True, but there's also the chance that the coach can take a few months off of coaching and wait for the start of next preseason of the team. It's highly selfish from the MLS side of things, of course.