2016 Mls College Superdraft
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I'm not even going to remotely pretend that I know anything about college soccer or the Super Draft is any sort of cure all that will give a team a franchise player like any of the Big 4 sports can get, but as things are at the moment, I wouldn't make any sort of deal whatsoever. I'd be content to sit there with the #4, because we're going to get a "player" regardless of who it is.
Now on the other hand, if when our turn comes up and someone with a relatively high pick (eg RSL) is all hot and bothered for whoever is available and wants to talk trade, then imho you do your due diligence.
If a team like RSL wants to flip first round picks and toss in their 2nd rounder (which would translate into being a high second rounder and recoup the pick we traded away and some guys here think is valuable) then NYCFC should do it.
Now on the other hand, if when our turn comes up and someone with a relatively high pick (eg RSL) is all hot and bothered for whoever is available and wants to talk trade, then imho you do your due diligence.
If a team like RSL wants to flip first round picks and toss in their 2nd rounder (which would translate into being a high second rounder and recoup the pick we traded away and some guys here think is valuable) then NYCFC should do it.
Christiano Ronaldo is not eligible for the draft.....
This is a quote I found in an interview from Wake Forest's student paper:
http://oldgoldandblack.com/?p=46888
If we could get a nice bag of balls, I would trade all our picks.
No but seriously, I'd take anything of value for our pick. Especially intl spot or allocation money. The draft is ridiculous in MLS. You get to pick the best of a very limited subset of available talent. If they are that good, they are not going to play NCAA soccer.
Good find. So he's essentially what we thought Angelino is.
That's absolutely not true. Not all athletes necessarily value an education, but many do, especially athletes from college graduate families where there's a plan for life after soccer. Sure historically a few of american guys that skipped or left college early have parlayed their knowledge of the sport in to a coaching or pundit gig, but but that's never a sure thing, and how many parents want to bankroll their kids as adults? Which leaves many going to college for a degree, and also the opportunity to see if on a smaller stage they rank with the best.
There isn't a ton of talent, especially starting caliber, but there are players worth taking. Perhaps expectations of what that good means have to be tempered a little..... but there's always a 1st round pick worth taking.
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Re: tanking at the end of the season to get higher in the draft.
I thought I read somewhere a couple years ago that teams in England are distributed money based on their final placement in the table. That's irrespective of TV money and the parachute payments that relegated teams get. If it's a significant enough amount of money, that would be excellent incentive not to tank. But that's not to say MLS could ever come up with high enough amounts to make it worthwhile.
PS. Maybe someone from England can tell me whether my recollection is accurate or just a pipe dream.
I thought I read somewhere a couple years ago that teams in England are distributed money based on their final placement in the table. That's irrespective of TV money and the parachute payments that relegated teams get. If it's a significant enough amount of money, that would be excellent incentive not to tank. But that's not to say MLS could ever come up with high enough amounts to make it worthwhile.
PS. Maybe someone from England can tell me whether my recollection is accurate or just a pipe dream.
Not from England, but pretty sure you are correct.
That's true about England..... but the problem with MLS is that the teams that don't make the playoffs get extra Garber Bucks (not sure if worse teams get more on a sliding scale or everybody gets equal), so there's absolutely no incentive not to tank (short of players' consciences) if there's a massively talented player looming in the draft.
Even though MLS is championing the competitiveness and parity of the league, they need to institute something that absolutely rewards placement in the standings, and it has to be more valuable than the picking order of the draft(s).
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I have always said the top pick should go the Best record not in the playoffs
Players will not lose in order to get a better pick in MLS. That theory is even more stoopit than the pro\rel idea.
1. They are professionals.
2. They are under contract and many players won't be with the club going forward to reap the benefits of a higher pick.
3. The draft is not very essential in MLS, and tanking may hurt the club more than it gains as it could hurt its appeal to potential players in the global market.
4. In the fall stretch of the MLS season, you have no idea who will be in the draft. That great franchise player like Lebron is not sitting there waiting to be drafted. The American soccer Lebron James will be going to Europe or has been known long enough that some club already got him into their academy, so he will be homegrown.
5. The better the draft pick, the more likely that pick replaces a current player on the roster\lineup.
The value in tanking to get the best pick in a draft that has such little value to the club, and far less value to the current players on said club, is nowhere near being high enough to even seriously consider adult men trying to lose at something they have dedicated their lives to.
One other incentive for players to perform right to the end is the desire to impress their national team manager.
1. They are professionals.
2. They are under contract and many players won't be with the club going forward to reap the benefits of a higher pick.
3. The draft is not very essential in MLS, and tanking may hurt the club more than it gains as it could hurt its appeal to potential players in the global market.
4. In the fall stretch of the MLS season, you have no idea who will be in the draft. That great franchise player like Lebron is not sitting there waiting to be drafted. The American soccer Lebron James will be going to Europe or has been known long enough that some club already got him into their academy, so he will be homegrown.
5. The better the draft pick, the more likely that pick replaces a current player on the roster\lineup.
The value in tanking to get the best pick in a draft that has such little value to the club, and far less value to the current players on said club, is nowhere near being high enough to even seriously consider adult men trying to lose at something they have dedicated their lives to.
One other incentive for players to perform right to the end is the desire to impress their national team manager.
If you had the 2nd pick, would you take that package you just offered? I sure as hell wouldn't.
Reyna: "Hey Colorado, want to trade picks?"
Col GM: "What are you offering?"
Reyna: "TMac & our 4th pick."
Col GM: "Nah, I like Jack Harrison a lot."
Reyna: "MCFC will loan you an EDS player back to back for one year each. Choose from a group of five each year."
Col GM: "Alrighty then! I'm sure Jack is going to love playing in NYC. BTW, we're all hoping you kick the crap out of Red Bull three time this season, especially that ginger captain they've got."
I would jump all over that offer. Mullins AND the #4 pick, are you kidding me??????
I would jump all over our management if we gave up Mullins AND the #4 pick.
Uggghhhhh Kjbert, I like you, but you have been saying some absolutely insane things lately. C'mon buddy!
Mullins + #4 is a good trade for another team. TMac + #4 needs to be sweetened.
I'm not sure, i'd even take Tmac +#4. I would gladly take Mullins straight up. People are overrating these top guys based on a few articles. Sure, they may be good, someday or right away. Or, they may never be good, or they might get good and bolt to Europe. Mullins is a solid starting forward who's ceiling is MLS. . It frustrates me that Kjbert, and some others, very weirdly show a great level of disrespect to the 2nd best American player on the roster. I'm not sure why he is rated so low, maybe it's because he is not flashy, maybe it's because he's more of a Joe Montana than a Mike Vick, but he is a very solid, and very important player. He allows David Villa, or any other striker, to be much more effective.
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