2017 Offseason Thread
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Dude, it's a stylistic comparison. Don't be obtuse.
Aside from the hair, what style do they share exactly?
Allen is faster and a more willing defender. Allen has turned himself into a creative 10. Mix fancies himself a deep lying 6 (he thinks he's Michael Bradley).
This is an interesting tack.
1. I don't think anybody in recent posts, or ever, really, has made character judgments on Mix.
2. I don't know that it's a matter of style. The argument hasn't been about whether he's the right kind of player, but whether he's 750k-odd worth of player. So I think we know what is expected.
FWIW I broadly agree with your characterization of his playing style.
I recall his standout performances, and they all looked very Joe Allen like to me. Cover a lot of ground, ping some long balls, be somewhat creative when you get near the box.
Mix actually may have a better shot than Joe. Joe is obviously a better player now, but 2.5 years ago, I'm not sure that was all that certain.
As to what he thinks he is, if that's really how he sees himself, I very much disagree. I think that was an appeal to coaches for club & country to get/stay on the field.
I don't know why this was particularly relevant to my post, but there are quite a few examples that would counter your observation. I try not to engage on that topic.
And FWIW, I broadly agree with your 2nd point. But I would say that it's practically impossible to evaluate a player's value without identifying their playing style. Are the player's contributions worth X in team Y? Maybe not, but maybe they are in team Z. That's transfers 101, to me. Is Benteke worth $40-odd million? Not at LFC. He damn sure was at Villa.
I have no idea what statistical output we should expect from a midfield worker with technical and passing skills for $750k or whether it's worth it for anyone of that description. We didn't even play with a midfield this year, so to NYC it isn't worth it to pay anyone that amount. With how we approached games, there wouldn't have been a place for Iniesta.
Not so nice to see you can't help it.
Is there a list anywhere of players bought out in the past by other clubs?
I asked a variant of this question i the 2017 roster thread. I suspect teams do not announce when they take advantage of the buyout option. Look at the MLS transaction pages:
http://www.mlssoccer.com/transactions/2017
http://www.mlssoccer.com/transactions/2016
None of the entries on these and prior years reveal that the team exercised a buyout which did not count against the cap. Which leads me to conclude that NYCFC might have already used it's buyout on a player who was already released and it was simply listed as option declined or some such. I expect this is done as a courtesy to the players who are bought out.
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If mgarbowski 's theory is correct, it makes my statement that much more valid and troubling. Exceptionally troubling for Saunders because 4 GKers on the roster is like carrying 4 QB's on an NFL team - only one plays and at most 2 through the season unless major injuries take place. Less troubling for Mix because at the end of the day, he is a player that can get playing time in a midfield we're short on players and skill sets; but if the team won't play him and can't trade him, then we have $900k of cap taken up on the bench or in street clothes.
That's by far the most troubling aspect of this entire Mix affair. Not only did he play himself out of starting, but he's done it while taking up a significant portion of our cap, and money we can use to work around cap.
I don't think we can really be a contender with Mix's salary acting as an albatross, the way it currently is. No other team, Chicago dumpster fire included, has so much of their effective cap tied up in useless assets. The fact that we've done so well while being so utterly hamstrung is very encouraging to me.
I think we have the ability to be a dominant force in this league, just based on how well we've managed to do playing at a 10% financial disadvantage.
Otoh, we screwed ourselves with this contract and Mix has every right to hold the team to it.
This is good stuff. I think the magic words on these lists are "mutual termination of contract" - which you see a few times. That should include situations where there was a buyout.
"out of contract" or "contract expired" suggests that the contract is over and a new one was not signed with the club.
"option declined" means the Club had an option for an additional year and chose not to exercise it.
"loan expired" is clear.
There is also "waived" which might also mean there was a buyout.
There are a handful of mutual termination references - many are actually during the season. Since the end of this past season, there have already been 3-4.
I'm reasonably certain of my theory on the buyouts not being listed. The bit about whether NYCFC used the option already is just speculation of a possibility.
Also, looking at the transaction summaries, we let go 11 guys last offseason and brought in 9 and then added Chanot over the summer.
This year, we have let 9 go so far and added 2. I think this is more turnover than many might like, but given how well we did adding guys last year, I am confident we can get good people this season.
I also don't think our turnover is particularly high compared to the league overall.
This year, we have let 9 go so far and added 2. I think this is more turnover than many might like, but given how well we did adding guys last year, I am confident we can get good people this season.
I also don't think our turnover is particularly high compared to the league overall.
I always wondered if Grabavoy was bought out last year. Found it hard to believe Kreis would have only brought him in for a single year unless the idea was to reward his buddy with a new contract after he proved how valuable he was in the lineup.
Anything done during the season cannot be an uncharged buyout:
(D) BUYOUT OF GUARANTEED CONTRACT
A club may buy out one player who has a Guaranteed Contract (including a DP’s) during the offseason and free up the corresponding budget space. Such a buyout is at the MLS club’s expense.
A club may buy out one player who has a Guaranteed Contract (including a DP’s) during the offseason and free up the corresponding budget space. Such a buyout is at the MLS club’s expense.
A club may not free up room in the salary budget with a buyout of a player’s contract during the season. In the case a team buys out a player’s contract during the season, the buyout amount will be charged against the club’s salary budget.
http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/content/roster-rules-and-regulations
Grabavoy was my guess also last year. You don't even have to presume a Kreis gift to his buddy. He could have had a long term contract when we drafted him.
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What are the chances that Johansen starts over Sean?
Right, but my point was that it's hard to believe he only had a single year contract.... therefor buyout.
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