2019 Roster Discussion
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Midas is in mid-season form already.
Well then fuck us and worrying about ever winning the league, unless we get a fluke season where it all falls our way. And I’ll complain every year about our ownership and what they’ve done. Same as I do for my Jets, Islanders, and Nets. Just because I'm a fan, doesn't mean I can't criticize when I see the team is not doing everything they can to win. Especially with a deep pockets at CFG has, why should we be content?
you can we all can, not gonna change shit until its like 100 people with ST and then FO might do something. but its also like you said, nycfc is just an addition to other nyc teams failing with all the money they have ( i feel sad knowing im probably not gonna ever see my knicks win a title because of shitty FO) at least in this city were not too alien from it.
i guess my final point is that by now we KNOW what CFG is about and its up to each person to decide if they want to stop following or keep criticizing knowing CFG wont really change their ways, we all hoped they would but does not seem like they would. And all we can do is hope we get the pieces together for a run at someday to win a title.
I honestly believe my other teams want to win and are trying to win. Even if they make bad decisions. But I'm not feeling that with CFG. I feel like their decisions are more consciously choosing not to give 100% than just making a bad choice. Year 1 I told myself they thought Kreis was the best choice they could make and were just wrong. I could also tell myself they thought they could win with Villa, Lampard & Pirlo, even if I didn't agree. But now I don't know. It doesn't seem like they are going all in like ATL or LAFC. I guess I'll wait to see how the academy plays out and if things change over the next few seasons. But if I do continually feel like this is just a side project for a corporation who views us as their version of 'Euro Disney', and they can't be bothered to spend what it takes to win in MLS, then I'm out.
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speak for yourself...i damn well know dolan doesnt give a fuck and is not even trying with the knicks
, though now that he stepped away a bit there is hope...for nowi personally was not thrilled having pirlo since i just felt convinced that this was all branding and raise awareness of brand. i do think its becoming more and more clear your last point is what this project is. an extension of the brand CFG brand i do hope local kids to get to first team and play and did like their school soccer fields project since it something positive that i know is making a difference to kids ( i know a few people that do work in community schools and programs and they do say it is helping)
i think all they really will do is just enough to not be out of playoffs but not go deep in their pockets because....we not Man city in the PL, where all the cash is at.
i dont know what the sentiments are with Melbourne city fans about CFG
speak for yourself...i damn well know dolan doesnt give a fuck and is not even trying with the knicks
i personally was not thrilled having pirlo since i just felt convinced that this was all branding and raise awareness of brand. i do think its becoming more and more clear your last point is what this project is. an extension of the brand CFG brand i do hope local kids to get to first team and play and did like their school soccer fields project since it something positive that i know is making a difference to kids ( i know a few people that do work in community schools and programs and they do say it is helping)
i think all they really will do is just enough to not be out of playoffs but not go deep in their pockets because....we not Man city in the PL, where all the cash is at.
i dont know what the sentiments are with Melbourne city fans about CFG
I'm not a Knicks fan, but I think Dolan would love to win. He's just such a shmuck he gets in his own way. If KD will come to the Knicks, he'll take him in a heartbeat and pay him whatever he can (even under the table if he had to). And you'll have a championship contending team overnight.
If Messi said he'd play in NYC as a DP, but wanted $20mm to do so, I don't think CFG would say yes. Dolan would if he owned NYCFC, and market the shit out of it. And that's an extreme example. I'm feeling like Villa was a lucky accident and covered up a lot of the problems this organization has. It's going to be very interesting over the next 3-5 years with our academy in full bloom, any or no progress/news on a stadium, and how we finish the next few seasons. It will say a lot about the intentions here, and I'm paying close attention. I'm a diehard fan and loyal, but you have to return that loyalty with the very least, a commitment to try and win (even if tanking helps you win, I understand that too, but I want a plan!).
I often find myself starting to believe CFG is a marketing tool with a marketing budget.
If you were intent on running an ad campaign for your business, you would have to target NYC. This is an expensive ad campaign with a soccer scarf draped around its neck.
If you were intent on running an ad campaign for your business, you would have to target NYC. This is an expensive ad campaign with a soccer scarf draped around its neck.
I think that’s a good thing. There’s a small portion of fans that follow this team and discuss it on a daily basis. If we were in the majority The club would be acting on some of the things discussed here. The majority of NYCFC fans are casuals. They’ll go to the games and whatever happens happens. They don’t spend the time analyzing loses or worrying about preseason. Soccer/football might not even be their primary sport. NFL isn’t for me and I could care less what my team does in the offseason and I don’t dwell on performance. I accept what’s there and still watch games and attend occasionally because I enjoy the sport and follow my local team.Every winter is the same around here.
“Team sucks, we haven’t made any signings, the sky is falling”
So unless NYCFC becomes downright bad I don’t think much will change. They’ll always draw casuals willing to pay under $50 to attend a sporting event in Yankee stadium.
Orlando city was touted as a poster child for MLS 2.0 and look at them now. I went to 3 games this season, 2 being NYCFC, and paid $50 to sit 10 rows up midfield with food and beverage included. Their SS was half full and the people sitting around me were true fans. Decked out in gear and pissed off. Likely season ticket holders. I don’t think they have a good base of casual fans that we do. Even with our season ticket numbers dwindling we’ll still attract decent crowds.
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It’s an add campaign with a really expensive buy-in for distribution leaving less than enough for the creative agency to develop the branding and content.
see thing is i dont know if KD wants to come, we have had the cash to bring a big free agent even Lebron had a chance to come years ago and was like nope, i do think dolan has something to do there. maybe he legit says ill step away a bit and then KD can come.
im not convinced dolan would market the shit our of nycfc, hed actually have to do work. Right now he owns the knicks he doenst need to do shit marketing wise. knicks still a name, all these years the knicks keep selling out even how trash we are. because he knows tourist and others are still attracted to seeing a game at "the mecca" of basketball.
yes, the next years will be telling but the direction doesnt seem to be to spend big cash for difference makers. maybe this year well start playing kids and hope it is the supplier for good players. i just dont think it will be something huge in terms of plan because of the history of players.
Dolan spent a large fortune on Messier and Gretzky and the rest of that rangers team in the 90s before the salary cap. He'd have had Lebron here if there wasn't a cap in basketball. He spends. I believe if he had DP slots he would spend. You give Dolan one DP slot for the Knicks and KD gets offered $50mm a year.
I agree with Knicks and Rangers marketing, but that's because they don't have to. If they did he would make sure the place was filled. He did in the past to get it filled. Remember "go NY, go NY, go!"?
We all hope there's a master plan for NYCFC, and I'd love to be quoted on this in 3 years to point out how I missed it. But if there is a plan, it doesn't hurt someone like Reyna to just say something like "we've spent the last 5 years building our youth system and we're going to try and bring them up now to see what they have. Once we know, we'll supplement what we need to with our DPs and more TAM signings." Ok, then you got me. Good plan, I'll wait. Right now, it just looks like they are going cheap.
i cant say anything on hockey since i dont follow it in detail, i did hear he was not as involved in hockey as he was in basketball but i cant confirm.
as for cap problems...thats still on dolan for giving shitty contracts and trading away all the freaking picks for trades that failed miserably. i guess you right he will spend, but he spent in such a stupid manner that its just infuriating and burning away cash really. some of which we were still feeling effects of like 10 years later. i remember go ny, go ny....now all we are is " lol knicks" and its his doing still. maybe my dislike for him is too great to blind me and not think he will do any better with nycfc
well see what comes out of this team 5 years down the line in the post villa era. i mean your example is just starting to show....we do have some homegrown signings and they are being supplemented with the TAM/ DP's that we have. again for academy they taking the long route which only now we seeing tiny bits of it. perhaps fully implemented within the next 5 years. if its good or not is yet to be seen.
Yes. ATL basically hit on all their signings so far:
-bringing in Almiron who was basically the best player in the league - because Tata convinced him. No other team would have done the same
-Striking gold with Josef - a mid level striker - who had never scored more than 8 goals a year - suddenly in this system became Chicharito on steroids.
-hitting major South American signings like LGP and Villalba
-Getting Larentowicz out of purgatory
-bringing in Nagbe who excelled with lower expectations
-Hitting on Gressel in the draft who outperformed everyone
Etc etc. Really Barco was their first “bust”. It’s impossible to keep hitting 1.000 forever with transfers. They will hit bumps. Especially with Almiron gone.
Except that they’re replacing Almiron with an absolute stud.....
adam I'm totally in agreement with your desire for CFG to show a desire to leap ahead. I'm not down with the conclusions you are drawing.At mid point in the season we were even with ATL and NJ and considered ourselves contenders for the shield and the cup. NJ lost their head coach but kept everyone else intact and basically continued on their trajectory. ATL's only speed bump was minor injury issues at season end that didn't carry over into the playoffs (unfortunately for us).
We hit major issues with not just losing our head coach but the entire staff, making continuity virtually impossible.
If we were on the same level with ATL six months ago, not too much has changed. Dome couldn't continue PV's legacy without a hitch. That's not CFG's fault.
I am still of the belief that we don't know if Dome was a good or bad hire. At six months in this community was pretty negative on PV. (Dare we remember #PVOut?)
So by all means, raise the roof on expectations of what we want. But I'm not with you on assessing this past year as a CFG failure. I put it half on PV and half on ATL just never hitting any kind of wall.
Of course, I'm known here for my rose colored glasses. So there's that.
At mid point in the season we were even with ATL and NJ and considered ourselves contenders for the shield and the cup. NJ lost their head coach but kept everyone else intact and basically continued on their trajectory. ATL's only speed bump was minor injury issues at season end that didn't carry over into the playoffs (unfortunately for us).
We hit major issues with not just losing our head coach but the entire staff, making continuity virtually impossible.
If we were on the same level with ATL six months ago, not too much has changed. Dome couldn't continue PV's legacy without a hitch. That's not CFG's fault.
I am still of the belief that we don't know if Dome was a good or bad hire. At six months in this community was pretty negative on PV. (Dare we remember #PVOut?)
So by all means, raise the roof on expectations of what we want. But I'm not with you on assessing this past year as a CFG failure. I put it half on PV and half on ATL just never hitting any kind of wall.
Of course, I'm known here for my rose colored glasses. So there's that.
I’m not exactly saying they are failing, I love my teams good or bad. I’m saying they are not using all their available resources to win. I don’t mind failure, even dumb failure. A good example is the Jets re-signing Revis. I hated that deal. Knew it was dumb from day 1. But they were trying and spending to try. Even the jets tanking last year and this year are ok, as long as there is a plan in place.
As for this past season. I said Villa covered up for a lot of their problems. Without his talents and as team leader and figurehead, I’m curious how they perform this year. I’m very curious who they replace Villa with. Are they waiting till this summer to get a big name, so we go into 2019 with 2 DPs (one who doesn’t even start for us half the time)? What will our other moves look like too? I said I’m giving this team years of leeway to make up my mind, but from I’ve seen the last 2 years, they haven’t gone all in like ATL and LAFC this year or NYCFC did years 1-2. And that’s what bothers me.
(Great to have you back in the conversation!)
Nothing about Medina and Almiron is the same beyond the fact that they are young and from Paraguay. Atlanta paid a $13M transfer fee for a 24 year old Almiron who was putting up numbers and holding his own in Argentinas first division. NYCFC paid $4M for a 19 year old Medina who's only experience was in the first division in Paraguay. Just the money and the caliber of player alone at the time of purchase is the definition of less ambitious.
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