2025 Roster and Transfer Discussion Thread

Break it down how you like. Goodness knows I do that a lot and appreciate it from others. In totality though, we scored 50 goals and that ranks 16th in a league of 30. By xG, NYCFC ranks 15th. We define the median offensive team. The roster is not bad. The defense is quite solid. The offense is the definition of mediocre.

In terms of year over year progress, this team stalled. The quality from 2015-2017 had a curve much more sharply upward than 2023-2025.
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The 2015 team's problem was mostly defense and the big improvement in 2017 came on that side. The 2023 team's problem was entirely offense and that improved much in 2024. The issue is that from 2024 to 2025 we merely traded away 4 goals on offense for 5 fewer goals allowed. xG also went down from 2024 to 2025.

Finally, I don't much credit Santi's ill-timed departure as an excuse made better by acquiring Nico. Within 2025 we did score 10 more goals in the second half than the first. But it was all finishing: shots taken and xG were both lower in the second half. About 80% of Alonso's cumulative G-xG deficit in 2025 is from the first half of the season. I don't think Santi or Nico had that much effect on his ability to properly place his shots with power. Plus Nico was only here for the final quarter of the season.

On top of that, I think we are an outlier in MLS in defining our team character by developing and selling players, especially among ambitious teams. Admittedly this is pretty subjective, and the league is a selling league. So I could be wrong, and maybe it's familiarity bias. I see our non-sporting CEO extolling this ethos in interviews so (among other reasons) I think it's a greater factor for us than other teams. Also the pattern (Taty, Gaby, etc) establishes that we will hold a player to get a better price but never for sporting reasons to help a season. If I'm forgetting a counterexample let me know. The biggest roster issues we have tie to this team value directly. We not only chose the maximum U22 slots but filled them with younger than necessary completely unseasoned players to maximize potential selling profit. That was a deliberate choice apart from the fact that none of them hit. As for Santi, this was the second time he left around camp and preseason. I don't credit any excuse based on being surprised he did it a second time.
 
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Break it down how you like. Goodness knows I do that a lot and appreciate it from others. In totality though, we scored 50 goals and that ranks 16th in a league of 30. By xG, NYCFC ranks 15th. We define the median offensive team. The roster is not bad. The defense is quite solid. The offense is the definition of mediocre.

In terms of year over year progress, this team stalled. The quality from 2015-2017 had a curve much more sharply upward than 2023-2025.
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The 2015 team's problem was mostly defense and the big improvement in 2017 came on that side. The 2023 team's problem was entirely offense and that improved much in 2024. The issue is that from 2024 to 2025 we merely traded away 4 goals on offense for 5 fewer goals allowed. xG also went down from 2024 to 2025.

Finally, I don't much credit Santi's ill-timed departure as an excuse made better by acquiring Nico. Within 2025 we did score 10 more goals in the second half than the first. But it was all finishing: shots taken and xG were both lower in the second half. About 80% of Alonso's cumulative G-xG deficit in 2025 is from the first half of the season. I don't think Santi or Nico had that much effect on his ability to properly place his shots with power. Plus Nico was only here for the final quarter of the season.

On top of that, I think we are an outlier in MLS in defining our team character by developing and selling players, especially among ambitious teams. Admittedly this is pretty subjective, and the league is a selling league. So I could be wrong, and maybe it's familiarity bias. I see our non-sporting CEO extolling this ethos in interviews so (among other reasons) I think it's a greater factor for us than other teams. Also the pattern (Taty, Gaby, etc) establishes that we will hold a player to get a better price but never for sporting reasons to help a season. If I'm forgetting a counterexample let me know. The biggest roster issues we have tie to this team value directly. We not only chose the maximum U22 slots but filled them with younger than necessary completely unseasoned players to maximize potential selling profit. That was a deliberate choice apart from the fact that none of them hit. As for Santi, this was the second time he left around camp and preseason. I don't credit any excuse based on being surprised he did it a second time.

This is a much better way to look at overall offense and does a nice job addressing @FootyLovin’s point that individual player performance depends heavily on the team around them.

I went down the G+A per 96 rabbit hole, trying to figure out whether I was being too harsh on Nico before this last playoff game. I’ve liked what I’ve seen from him so far and still have high hopes, but the raw numbers don’t really justify the level of hype he’s getting from the fanbase, especially compared to some of his high-profile DP peers. Your analysis paints a similar picture for the attack as a whole: while I’ve felt more optimistic about our core starters lately, the data suggests we’re still pretty average.

My main takeaway is that our attacking roster and DPs have been underwhelming for so long that CFG has basically lowered our expectations. At this point, a finally average offense seems very good, and a DP putting up average G+A per 96 numbers somehow feels exceptional. It’s disappointing when you think back to the days of Villa and Taty chasing the Golden Boot.
 
My main takeaway is that our attacking roster and DPs have been underwhelming for so long that CFG has basically lowered our expectations. At this point, a finally average offense seems very good, and a DP putting up average G+A per 96 numbers somehow feels exceptional. It’s disappointing when you think back to the days of Villa and Taty chasing the Golden Boot.

What do we call Alonso this year? Sure he was never winning it because of Messi, but he had 17 goals this season. Taty won the Golden Boot in 2021 with 19 goals.

I really think we are being overly harsh on an organization that's three wins away from a championship for the 2nd straight season.
 
Break it down how you like. Goodness knows I do that a lot and appreciate it from others. In totality though, we scored 50 goals and that ranks 16th in a league of 30. By xG, NYCFC ranks 15th. We define the median offensive team. The roster is not bad. The defense is quite solid. The offense is the definition of mediocre.

In terms of year over year progress, this team stalled. The quality from 2015-2017 had a curve much more sharply upward than 2023-2025.
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201662575
2017564313
20233539-4
202454495
202550446

The 2015 team's problem was mostly defense and the big improvement in 2017 came on that side. The 2023 team's problem was entirely offense and that improved much in 2024. The issue is that from 2024 to 2025 we merely traded away 4 goals on offense for 5 fewer goals allowed. xG also went down from 2024 to 2025.

Finally, I don't much credit Santi's ill-timed departure as an excuse made better by acquiring Nico. Within 2025 we did score 10 more goals in the second half than the first. But it was all finishing: shots taken and xG were both lower in the second half. About 80% of Alonso's cumulative G-xG deficit in 2025 is from the first half of the season. I don't think Santi or Nico had that much effect on his ability to properly place his shots with power. Plus Nico was only here for the final quarter of the season.

On top of that, I think we are an outlier in MLS in defining our team character by developing and selling players, especially among ambitious teams. Admittedly this is pretty subjective, and the league is a selling league. So I could be wrong, and maybe it's familiarity bias. I see our non-sporting CEO extolling this ethos in interviews so (among other reasons) I think it's a greater factor for us than other teams. Also the pattern (Taty, Gaby, etc) establishes that we will hold a player to get a better price but never for sporting reasons to help a season. If I'm forgetting a counterexample let me know. The biggest roster issues we have tie to this team value directly. We not only chose the maximum U22 slots but filled them with younger than necessary completely unseasoned players to maximize potential selling profit. That was a deliberate choice apart from the fact that none of them hit. As for Santi, this was the second time he left around camp and preseason. I don't credit any excuse based on being surprised he did it a second time.
Taty definitely stayed in 2022 for the CCL run.
 
Taty definitely stayed in 2022 for the CCL run.
I was focused on sales not loans, which any early 2022 move would have entailed. But that's still a valid counterexample.

Personally, it also doesn't make it any better. I care more about MLS than CCC. Intentionally arranging things so we would lose Taty mid-MLS season is actually more annoying to me. I do realize that's very much a minority opinion.
 
What do we call Alonso this year? Sure he was never winning it because of Messi, but he had 17 goals this season. Taty won the Golden Boot in 2021 with 19 goals.

I really think we are being overly harsh on an organization that's three wins away from a championship for the 2nd straight season.

Alonso is tied for 8th place in goals scored in MLS this season. 12 goals behind Messi and 7 goals behind the two guys tied for second. Sorry, I like Alonso, he's a very good MLS striker, but this season he's not "one of the best strikers in MLS".

We are owned by CFG, they told us they planned to be a model MLS franchise and compete for trophies at every opportunity. We play in NYC. I'm sorry I'm not lowering the bar. We should have a guy like Son or Bouanga on our roster. We should have DPs that producce like the guys in seattle, LAFC or Nashville, this attack isn't good enough. Why do we have to get all the Oil money slander from opposing fan bases without any of the oil money upside in our roster?

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Alonso is tied for 8th place in goals scored in MLS this season. 12 goals behind Messi and 7 goals behind the two guys tied for second. Sorry, I like Alonso, he's a very good MLS striker, but this season he's not "one of the best strikers in MLS".

We are owned by CFG, they told us they planned to be a model MLS franchise and compete for trophies at every opportunity. We play in NYC. I'm sorry I'm not lowering the bar. We should have a guy like Son or Bouanga on our roster. We should have DPs that producce like the guys in seattle, LAFC or Nashville, this attack isn't good enough. Why do we have to get all the Oil money slander from opposing fan bases without any of the oil money upside in our roster?

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Set aside Messi for a moment, he's an alien. You have two guys at 24 goals, and then one guy with 19 who played 34 games, three guys at 18 goals, two of whom played 32 games, and then Alonso and two others at 17 goals, and the two others played 33 games. Alonso played 30. I'm not doing the math rn but his goals per 90 must have him right up there with all these others. These are very fine margins. One shot off the post that went in instead and he's the 5th best striker. If he played two or three more games than he did, like the others, and bagged another goal from them, now he's at 19.

I don't know how you can see him as anything other than one of the best strikers in MLS.
 
Set aside Messi for a moment, he's an alien. You have two guys at 24 goals, and then one guy with 19 who played 34 games, three guys at 18 goals, two of whom played 32 games, and then Alonso and two others at 17 goals, and the two others played 33 games. Alonso played 30. I'm not doing the math rn but his goals per 90 must have him right up there with all these others. These are very fine margins. One shot off the post that went in instead and he's the 5th best striker. If he played two or three more games than he did, like the others, and bagged another goal from them, now he's at 19.

I don't know how you can see him as anything other than one of the best strikers in MLS.

he is 8th in G/90.
2nd for xG.

I think Alonso is one of the top strikers in the league in transition. Other aspects of being a striker, he's average. He could work on his in the box poaching and doesn't have much aerial ability.

For our style of play, he fits in fairly well. and there are few other strikers in MLS i would swap him for. I do think he's one of the best strikers in the league for his ability to stretch the backline and get in behind. Maybe bouanga is a bit more dangerous than martinez with that? but I find it difficult to think of anybody else.
 
he is 8th in G/90.
2nd for xG.

I think Alonso is one of the top strikers in the league in transition. Other aspects of being a striker, he's average. He could work on his in the box poaching and doesn't have much aerial ability.

For our style of play, he fits in fairly well. and there are few other strikers in MLS i would swap him for. I do think he's one of the best strikers in the league for his ability to stretch the backline and get in behind. Maybe bouanga is a bit more dangerous than martinez with that? but I find it difficult to think of anybody else.

Okay, you’ve all convinced me that I’ve been too hard on Alonso. I still think the larger point about CFG’s lack of ambition stands; the only reason we have Alonso is because they essentially stumbled into him.

To reinforce your point about the limitations in his game, among the league’s top 10 goal scorers, Alonso has the fewest assists and key passes. I’m not sure it’s entirely fair to pin that on him, though; it might say more about how the team uses him than about his individual ability.

One thing he definitely deserves credit for is his defensive work rate. Few strikers with his goal-scoring ability are willing to track back with the same intensity. In the last game, Nico was caught high up the field, and Alonso immediately recognized it, sprinting back to make a key defensive play and cover Nico’s spot until he recovered.
 
For Goals minus PKs Alonso is only ranked 17-tied. He played more minutes than about half the players ahead of him. OTOH he earned probably half our PKs. But as a creator of [finished] goals in regular play he's not nearly as good this year as last. But it's all finishing. His xG is outstanding.
Last year he far exceeded his xG. This year he overshot in the other direction, though not by quite as much.
Next year Little Red Riding Hood just right? That would be quite fine.
 
Shit. Did he hurt himself with Costa Rica?
Yes, I first posted in the Alonso Martinez thread. During World Cup Qualifying vs. Haiti being played in Curacao, he likely tore it when he was potentially fouled but didn't go down in the box. The field was criticized for not being at professional standards. He played the whole match and wasn't subbed out.
 
Yes, I first posted in the Alonso Martinez thread. During World Cup Qualifying vs. Haiti being played in Curacao, he likely tore it when he was potentially fouled but didn't go down in the box. The field was criticized for not being at professional standards. He played the whole match and wasn't subbed out.
Brutal. Just brutal. 8-9 months brings him back in July or August if everything goes right. I think it took Heber 12 months to return and he was never the same after the injury. We have to be prepared to be without him all of next season. So yes, we absolutely need to sign a DP striker now. Whoever our sporting director is needs to get to work.
 
The field Alonso was playing on in Haiti is turf. The reporter on Twitter said it was not good turf, and looking at the highlights it does not look like even fieldturf.

 
Welp. Parks, Perea, now Martinez with long term injuries. Terrible luck. Feel so bad for Alonso.

I hate international soccer.

DP striker and Seymour to become a superstar? no faith in ojeda and fernandez becoming gamechangers ... :/
 
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