Formation Speculation

You have wingert in, so I question your sanity.

Haha i question it sometimes too. I dont think he was terrible at left back. At centerback he was horroble, but i think he could be a decent lb. *ducks head* .

As for me putting angelino in there, facey started off the bat and he wasnt even close to as hyped angelino is. So im taking a guess and say he starts sooner rather than later.
 
Which Angelino will be a better player in November. The Angelino who takes a summer holiday and gets max playing time with EDS come August or the Angelino who trains with NYCFC in July, wins a starting spot in August/September and starts in Yankee Stadium as we make our successful playoff push and go for the MLS Cup. Veira knows Angelino will be treated fairly at NYCFC. If Angelino can't beat out Brovsky or Wingert for a starting spot in 2015 he is a long long way from MCFC.

That's not a slam dunk. Most pundits think that Yedlin should stay in England, go on loan to Norwich starting this summer and get reps. Not come here for the Gold Cup.

Same with Angelino.
 
---------------------------------------Saunders
--------------------Mashamaite--------------------Facey
------Iraola-------------------------Jacobson-------------------Angelino
---------------------Diskerud-------------------------Pirlo
---------------------------------------Lampard
--------------------------Poku
-------------------------------------------------------Villa
 
With Angelino coming in where does Calle fit? You gotta figure Angelino will start because we only have till the end of the season.
 
Calle can sub. He's good, but he shouldn't be playing over anyone right now, not with our "projected roster".
 
Why not have him play LM? Everyone said we'd need runners in the midfield if Pirlo and Lampard were both there. He's very good going forward and we all know he can track back and defend when he has to.
 
Why not have him play LM? Everyone said we'd need runners in the midfield if Pirlo and Lampard were both there. He's very good going forward and we all know he can track back and defend when he has to.

Who do you bench though? After keeper and four defenders, Villa needs a strike partner, and Pirlo needs Jacobson supporting him. Lampard makes 10 on the field. The 11th is Mix.

When Mix is on Gold Cup duty, and while waiting for Pirlo, there will be two spots for guys like Calle, Ballouchy, and Poku. So maybe he can get a few games in during July in the midfield. But long term, Calle's injury has really cost him a spot in the team's plans that he'll have to earn back, unless it's splitting time with Angelino at LB.
 
Why not have him play LM? Everyone said we'd need runners in the midfield if Pirlo and Lampard were both there. He's very good going forward and we all know he can track back and defend when he has to.


Because Diskerud is your LM. Diskerud, Pirlo and Lampard are going to play. Then 2 of Poku, Jacobsen, Nemec, Mullins, Grabavoy, Calle, McNamara and Ballouchy.

With our luck, it will be Grabavoy and Ballouchy.
 
Who do you bench though? After keeper and four defenders, Villa needs a strike partner, and Pirlo needs Jacobson supporting him. Lampard makes 10 on the field. The 11th is Mix.

When Mix is on Gold Cup duty, and while waiting for Pirlo, there will be two spots for guys like Calle, Ballouchy, and Poku. So maybe he can get a few games in during July in the midfield. But long term, Calle's injury has really cost him a spot in the team's plans that he'll have to earn back, unless it's splitting time with Angelino at LB.

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How soon we all forget what a disaster Calle was in the midfield at the beginning of the season. I'd like to see Shelton on the left if he can handle it over Calle. Calle can sub for Angelino if he's getting thrown around.
 

Villa gets gobbled up when alone on top. We need some muscle up there to hold up play and take some focus off him. I think by August, when Mix and Pirlo are both in the lineup, our heatmaps will look like a 4-2-2-2:

NYCFC-formation-tactics.png


I'm abandoning my usual clean format to show a few things.

Up top, Villa tends to drift high and left, while the second striker drifts more centrally to receive long balls and passes from the midfield.

Centrally, Mix has the legs to make runs forward, but will also need to cover defensively as Lampard and Pirlo will be relatively stationary, with the former in the middle of the attack making secondary runs into the box, and the latter trailing behind the play and making the initial distributions.

The fullbacks play very high, because we absolutely need them for width in this formation, and they have attacking tendencies anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if they show up on heatmaps higher than Pirlo as well some games. So I have them in line with Jacobson here, who usually plays like a 3rd CB already. (And we need him there. Against NYRB, he played higher up the pitch than he ever has this season, and our defense got absolutely torched. Check here: http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/914956/MatchReport)

I was hoping a 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-3-1 would work to give us some more midfield legs, but Villa just looks so dull up there alone. If you just threw our roster on the field with no instruction, I think they would naturally play in the 4-2-2-2 I diagrammed above, which is likely our only viable format for the next year and a half.
 
Villa gets gobbled up when alone on top. We need some muscle up there to hold up play and take some focus off him. I think by August, when Mix and Pirlo are both in the lineup, our heatmaps will look like a 4-2-2-2:

NYCFC-formation-tactics.png


I'm abandoning my usual clean format to show a few things.

Up top, Villa tends to drift high and left, while the second striker drifts more centrally to receive long balls and passes from the midfield.

Centrally, Mix has the legs to make runs forward, but will also need to cover defensively as Lampard and Pirlo will be relatively stationary, with the former in the middle of the attack making secondary runs into the box, and the latter trailing behind the play and making the initial distributions.

The fullbacks play very high, because we absolutely need them for width in this formation, and they have attacking tendencies anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if they show up on heatmaps higher than Pirlo as well some games. So I have them in line with Jacobson here, who usually plays like a 3rd CB already. (And we need him there. Against NYRB, he played higher up the pitch than he ever has this season, and our defense got absolutely torched. Check here: http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/914956/MatchReport)

I was hoping a 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-3-1 would work to give us some more midfield legs, but Villa just looks so dull up there alone. If you just threw our roster on the field with no instruction, I think they would naturally play in the 4-2-2-2 I diagrammed above, which is likely our only viable format for the next year and a half.

I think our problem is that our defense and midfield can't connect passes on the ground and they just send long balls up to Villa. He's never going to win many of those, but I think with a midfield of Pirlo, Lampard and Mix and a defense with smarter backs I think we control the game a lot better on the ground and don't have to always rely on the long ball.
 
I think our problem is that our defense and midfield can't connect passes on the ground and they just send long balls up to Villa. He's never going to win many of those, but I think with a midfield of Pirlo, Lampard and Mix and a defense with smarter backs I think we control the game a lot better on the ground and don't have to always rely on the long ball.

Could be. I think the key to our attack is going to be that second striker or fifth midfielder role. This is where Kreis would earn his paycheck with the right player in the right position.
 
I think our problem is that our defense and midfield can't connect passes on the ground and they just send long balls up to Villa. He's never going to win many of those, but I think with a midfield of Pirlo, Lampard and Mix and a defense with smarter backs I think we control the game a lot better on the ground and don't have to always rely on the long ball.
Hell to the yes to this.

During our three wins we weren't clamoring for a strike partner for Villa. I don't understand why we abandoned what had been working and just booted the long ball to Villa repeatedly. But Villa is and always has been at his best with balls played to his feet or into space. That is true whether he has a strike partner or not.

I'd much rather see a vastly improved 5 midfielder set up but with midfielders who can actually move the ball effectively.
 
It seems that the first 9 are pretty well agreed in everyone's formations. We are left with a question of Calle vs Poku for the 10th spot depending on what type formation you go with.

What I'm curious about is given the recent run of play, all other things being equal, how do you rank the players coming off the bench if you want offense and your options are: Shelton, Mullins, TMac, Ballouchy?
 
Iraola probably starts as soon as the visa clears. same as Lampard. If Pirlo actually signs, ditto. But Angelino probably will need time to adjust. Calle will need some more time to get full max fit. In the meantime, Brovsky/Wingert will mostly likely start at LB until Angelino is proven or at least match fit. If it's Poku or AJ vs. Calle, Poku or AJ get the spot until Calle can prove he's healthy.

Other than that I agree with everyone else, Villa alone at the top isn't the best plan, since he seems to need a partner.
 
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