Kreis Officially Out At NYCFC

Sabo said:
Grella 2364 Minutes

Poku 978
Mullins 1040
TMac 1324

Grabavoy 1884

Grella wouldn't have developed into the Grella of today playing for NYCFC in 2015.
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You mean there might be some advantages to playing on a team that has had a good consistent core of players for several years?

I can't believe it.

Good thing CFG is working hard to make sure NYCFC doesn't have that happen. They're so great.
 
Poku Mullins TMac and Mix could be a good consistent core of our team for several years -- for this group of DPs and the next group.

Grabavoy, Wingert, Ballouchy and Hernandez can't be a good consistent core for several years because it is unlikely that any of them will be in the league 4 years from now.

CFG totally screwed up Lampard and put Kreis in a position to fail this year by keeping one of our best players from us when we needed him, but when you read the press release you should recognize that it is possible that Kreis is out in part because of his failure to develop that consistent core this season.
 
Midas Mulligan said:
I like her because she puts out. And bad sex is better than no sex.
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Midas Mulligan said:
Not a fun post. And the premise behind disagreeing with you is that they weren't the only bidder. Plenty of folks wanted the "NYC" brand and all of us arrogant pricks and our money that come with it. CFG made a pitch and punched the golden ticket.

If I were them, I'd want to avoid being the guy who wins the lottery one day, and gets diagnosed terminal the next. Make no mistake, we were the lottery. There was a battle for us. And they know that. So while you aren't entirely wrong, you're not very right.

There's more money on this board than there is in the entirety of Manchester the town proper. Thems the facts. And while I may be a jerk with the phrasing, it is still largely true. They know that. We know that. We aren't going to be bitched by them because of that. It's not a standoff. It's the recognition on each part not to go into incurable histrionics.
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Hey Buddy, thought we were on the same side? i think you missed my point a little bit. the owners can screw it up but have to face the consequence of losing the audience, a precious and arrogant one that is. We all know that. And so far i see no evidence they want to lose this audience. I see people overreacting to Kries' firing, something I personally cherish because i see no evidence that his staying another year can make the situation materially better. so my next logic argument is CFG has been trying to catering to us and to their own profits -- hopefully the two things are aligned. That's all.
BTW, i don't agree with your assessment on the leverage/bargaining power the NY fan base holds. overall, MLS is still a minor league in world stage. We are still closer to the "bagger" end of the spectrum than the bragger end of the the spectrum, in spite of the potential media market size. Whomever investing in soccer in NY/US is still taking some greater geo risks than investing in some other established market. We are a hot emerging market that one day has to realize its value potential to justify the risks. On that topic, btw, I would use price tag of broadcasting right as a yardstick. The day when MSL broadcasting right is sold at a price close to that of NFL is the day MLS is finally making it. anyway this is a side topic.
 
NYCFCFan10 said:
Wrong.

His little snafu at that ridiculous event had nothing to do with that draft order.
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Actually, it had everything to do with the draft Order.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2014/...015-expansion-draft-mls-superdraft-nycfc-atop

After a coin flip (or perhaps rock/scissor/paper), Orlando chose to pick first in the Expansion Draft. NYCFC then had the option to pick 1st in the Super Draft, but instead he chose the top spot in the Allocation Order (we can assume this was because Kreis wanted Mix). Orlando then found a pot of gold and chose to pick first in the Super Draft which resulted in Larin. Kreis not understanding the differences in each of the drafts/selections, and then laughing about the gaffe, is the heart of the problem. Any MLS fan, from any team, would have valued Larin over Shelton - that's just a no-brainer considering his college hype and combine performance.
 
RantSports.com
Jason Kreis Never Stood A Chance At NYCFC
"Unfortunately, CFG never gave Kreis a fair shake, and now he is looking for another job after just one year on the sideline in New York."
"When Andrea Pirlo came to NYCFC there were strong rumors that Kreis disagreed with the decision. It became clear that Kreis and his staff had little input on building the roster. Of course signs of this showed up before the team even hit the field."

"Kreis, CFG has no clue about dedication and apparently has no long-term plan. In many ways this all goes against what is needed in MLS."
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"There is no reason to feel bad for Kreis. He got paid well and saw a different side of the game. He will likely be successful with Toronto FC or another team in MLS. Regardless, he had no real chance with NYCFC, and it looks like no coach will have much say under CFG in New York."
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TheGuardian.com
Jason Kreis will be fine, but same can't be promised for starstruck NYC FC
http://www.theguardian.com/football...t-same-cant-be-promised-for-starstruck-nyc-fc
What had started as a series of exercises in sensitivity – CFG arrived in New York making all the right noises and followed up with a series of surefooted and seemingly astute appointments that included Kreis – has gradually devolved into a kind of cultural civil war, from the Frank Lampard fiasco onwards. And the fault lines were defined by MLS’s state of exception – and the type of best practices thus needed to navigate league rules designed to foster parity and competitiveness.

The mechanisms in MLS are complex and the solutions to consistently thriving in it, more so. Good coaching matters, of course, but so does an understanding of the limits of roster balance and for want of a better term, sustainable farming of players. Kreis, the son of an agricultural feed specialist from Iowa, had worked with the RSL technical team to develop a sustainable team ecology in Utah. Unfortunately, in New York City, the scenario increasingly looked like a bad Monsanto experiment – as the new expansion team would struggle towards finding some sort of balance with each other, only for the likes of Lampard and then Andrea Pirlo to arrive, be injected into the side, and at times seem to do little more than add water weight.

...it was perhaps telling to see a frustrated Kreis hauling off Lampard and Pirlo in the second half of a September loss in Dallas that realistically ended the team’s slim playoff hopes. With Villa already on the bench after half-time it was hard to escape the impression that Kreis, back in the town where he started his journey as an MLS player, wanted a moment to go down swinging on his own terms.

And now he’s gone, and if the rumors are true it’s possible that somewhere in the glass-walled New York City themed meeting room at the City Academy in Manchester, Fabio Capello is staring in disbelief at a Football Manager screen. City Football Group may feel that they’ve indulged the locals enough by giving Kreis a chance, and that his failure justifies a return to the proven expertise of a European veteran. But this is MLS, and for better or worse, even the greatest are only as good as their guides here.
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Sabo said:
Grella is really good and I like him, but take a look at the stats.

Grella .34 Goals/90 Minutes

Mullins .52 G/90
Poku .37 G/90
TMac .34 G/90

We got the attacking players, they just weren't used as effectively as Grella. We can do better next year.
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Grella is a true wide player. Of the three you listed, TMac is the closest to being a wide player when he doesn't disappear for large stretches during the middle of a match. Then again, Zizzo is also a wide player like Grella and could have filled that role if NYCFC hadn't of traded his rights to lease a backup GK. It's like a car, better to own it and have value/equity rather than nothing at the end of the contract period.
 
Yahoo.com
The shortsightedness in NYCFC's firing of Jason Kreis and its pursuit for instant MLS success
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-fc-yahoo/jason-kreis-fired-as-nycfc-head-coach-020719462.html
New York City FC will be on its second manager in just its second season in Major League Soccer in 2016. On Monday night, the club announced that Jason Kreis was no longer its head coach.
The terminology of it was vague. A headline on a press release said "Kreis leaves post," but in the first line of the actual release, it said Kreis and the club had "parted company." The former implies that he resigned; the latter that it was a mutual decision. It has been widely speculated, however, that Kreis would be fired.
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With regards to that "points tally," it should be noted here that three teams had 37 points, like NYCFC, and that the Chicago Fire had just 30. Of those three with 37, NYCFC had the best goal difference, actually placing it 17th out of 20 MLS teams, rather than 19th.
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In Utah, Kreis had gotten into the habit of building teams with useful pieces, complemented by Designated Players who weren't big names exactly but who conspired with their lesser-paid peers to make the difference. In New York, Frank Lampard was signed and then David Villa was signed and then Andrea Pirlo was signed. Kreis and director of football operations Claudio Reyna – considered something of a dream team – reportedly didn't want any of those thirty-something European galacticos.

In their vision, the club would attract younger players on the right side of their prime who could grow into being its stars. But the parent club, Manchester City – which insists that it's merely a "sister club" when that clearly isn't so – had other ideas. So the aging big names were foisted on Kreis and he was expected to make a cohesive unit with a trio of lumbering has-beens as his foundation.
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Ulrich said:
Actually, it had everything to do with the draft Order.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2014/...015-expansion-draft-mls-superdraft-nycfc-atop

After a coin flip (or perhaps rock/scissor/paper), Orlando chose to pick first in the Expansion Draft. NYCFC then had the option to pick 1st in the Super Draft, but instead he chose the top spot in the Allocation Order (we can assume this was because Kreis wanted Mix). Orlando then found a pot of gold and chose to pick first in the Super Draft which resulted in Larin. Kreis not understanding the differences in each of the drafts/selections, and then laughing about the gaffe, is the heart of the problem. Any MLS fan, from any team, would have valued Larin over Shelton - that's just a no-brainer considering his college hype and combine performance.
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Look, son, if you're going against me, you better just apologize and realize you're wrong.

Read your damn article:
Orlando, in turn took the first selection in the 2015 MLS SuperDraft. Kreis followed by selecting the higher pick in the Discovery Ranking, though revealed almost immediately after that he'd made a mistake and intended to select the top pick in the USL PRO/NASL Player Priority Ranking, which Heath then picked for Orlando.
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Orlando won the coin toss or whatever and got to pick first and selected MLS SuperDraft. Kreis screwed up after that.
 
ny teams get ripped to shreds all the time, why is this new? i didnt agree with kreis leaving but anything we did or did not do through the season was criticized this is no different.

im sure there are some of those bloggers that criticized kreis tactics all year are now crying foul that he is gone.
 
Ulrich said:
Actually, it had everything to do with the draft Order.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2014/...015-expansion-draft-mls-superdraft-nycfc-atop

After a coin flip (or perhaps rock/scissor/paper), Orlando chose to pick first in the Expansion Draft. NYCFC then had the option to pick 1st in the Super Draft, but instead he chose the top spot in the Allocation Order (we can assume this was because Kreis wanted Mix). Orlando then found a pot of gold and chose to pick first in the Super Draft which resulted in Larin. Kreis not understanding the differences in each of the drafts/selections, and then laughing about the gaffe, is the heart of the problem. Any MLS fan, from any team, would have valued Larin over Shelton - that's just a no-brainer considering his college hype and combine performance.
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BUT HE KNOWS MLS!!!!!!!!!
 
Gothamist.com
NYCFC Historically Fire Inaugural Head Coach Jason Kreis
Dear New York City Football Club President Tom Glick,

Hey Tom, hope you've been well. It's been a while since—actually, I don't think we've ever talked. Which is a shame, because I just got your wacky press release about you firing NYCFC head coach Jason Kreis, and it's clear you could've used some help with the messaging on this one.

Let's start with that title: "Jason Kreis leaves post as New York City FC Head Coach". Sure, it's factually accurate, but when a sentence later you switch to "parted company" and then "the decision", it's pretty clear he's only leaving because you've shoved him out the door.

And boy, Tom, those performance targets you're saying he failed to meet - what a shove! Good of you to get Jason to agree to the fool's errand of a playoff position, especially after Pellegrini screwed him out of getting Lampard on time.

...

Tom, I'll level with you. The press release, while awkward and strange, isn't my real worry. It's that you've now sent a clear message to your fans and to coaching candidates. If this is how you treat a coach that was described as a "perfect fit" for the project, that you sent to Manchester for a year just to learn and grow, why would any other coach else want to come work for you? Why should fans expect anything other than constant turnover when you gave up on The Chosen One?
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NYCFCFan10 said:
Look, son, if you're going against me, you better just apologize and realize you're wrong.

Read your damn article:


Orlando won the coin toss or whatever and got to pick first and selected MLS SuperDraft. Kreis screwed up after that.
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Ah yes, endearing yourself by attempting to slight me with the use of "son." Ignorance is bliss.

And geez, I'd hate to see your Reading Comprehension scores from High School. If you're going to berate me, at least get YOUR facts right. You've highlighted the 3rd & 4th selections by Orlando/NYCFC, but the damage was done with the 2nd selection (Kreis' first). I've underlined the player selection mechanisms that were selected and made bold the name of each one. Surely you can figure out the rest. the bottom of the quote list all of the player selection mechanisms and in what order they were chosen, also showing which team had each pick.

How 'bout them apples ?!?

Orlando City won the supporter-conducted draw at Wednesday's Expansion Priority Draft and head coach Adrian Heath jumped at the chance to pick first in the Dec. 10 Expansion Draft, where teams will selecte 10 players each from those made available by the other 19 MLS teams.

“We think we've got some really good young players. What we don't have: We don't have any MLS experience,” Heath said after making the selection. “We think with the Expansion Draft we're going to get one or two players that'll help us straightaway. It's important for us that we get some experience.”

New York City FC, represented by head coach Jason Kreis, then opted to get the No. 1 spot in the MLS Allocation Ranking, the mechanism used to determine which MLS club has first priority to acquire a US men's national team player who signs with MLS after playing abroad, or a former MLS player who returns to the league after having gone to a club abroad for a transfer fee.

Kreis admitted after making the pick that he and his team already had their eyes on a few players they may select using the mechanism, saying, “We do feel that there's quite a few players in Europe right now that would be interesting for us to use this selection on.”

Orlando, in turn took the first selection in the 2015 MLS SuperDraft. Kreis followed by selecting the higher pick in the Discovery Ranking, though revealed almost immediately after that he'd made a mistake and intended to select the top pick in the USL PRO/NASL Player Priority Ranking, which Heath then picked for Orlando.

Here are the full results of the Expansion Priority Draft, in the order they were selected:

1. MLS Expansion Draft: Pick 1 goes to Orlando City SC, Pick 2 goes to New York City FC
2. Allocation Ranking: Pick 1 goes to New York City FC, Pick 2 goes to Orlando City SC
3. MLS SuperDraft: Pick 1 goes to Orlando City SC, Pick 2 goes to New York City FC
4. Discovery Ranking: Pick 20 goes to New York City FC, Pick 21 goes to Orlando City SC
5. USL PRO/NASL Player Priority Ranking: Pick 1 goes to Orlando City SC, Pick 2 goes to New York City FC
6. Waiver/Re-Entry Draft Ranking: Pick 20 goes to New York City FC, Pick 21 goes to Orlando City SC
7. Lottery Ranking: Pick 20 goes to Orlando City SC, Pick 21 goes to New York City FC
8. Designated Player Ranking: Pick 1 goes to New York City FC, Pick 2 goes to Orlando City SC
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NY Daily News
Jason Kreis sacked as NYCFC coach after one season
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/soccer/jason-kreis-sacked-nycfc-coach-season-article-1.2421251
Jason Kreis was fired and kicked on his way out the door by his former employers.
In a statement atypical in its callousness, New York City Football Club - which is owned the Abu Dhabi royal family -- declared the last season a disappointment and Kreis unfit to "improve the team for the next season and beyond."
"Prior to the start of the season, it was agreed with the coaching team that the securing of the playoff place was an appropriate target for this year," read the statement. "A win rate of less than one in three games a points tally which was the second lowest in the league is clearly not in line with the targets we agreed."
The statement was misleadingly titled, "Jason Kreis Leaves Post," even though the 42-year-old MLS lifer was canned by the overseas owners.

NYCFC finished eighth in the Eastern Conference at 10-17-7 and out of the playoffs. Although the statement acknowledged the "challenges of building and integrating a new team are recognized," it did not include the obstacles of ownerships making: After introducing Frank Lampard as the marquee in the summer of 2014, parent club Manchester City took him on loan to England until the middle of the MLS season. Ownership also brought in Andrea Pirlo as a mid-season signing following a long campaign in Europe, which disrupted the chemistry when NYCFC was at its highest point in July
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Scathing
 
Higher Allocation ranking > SuperDraft every day of the week, dimwit. Higher allocation ranking gives you better access to PROVEN players that CFG can EASILY afford.

That wasn't the mistake. The mistake came AFTER Orlando selected the SuperDraft. Which was the argument you wrongly interjected in.

My god, the pro-CFG/anti-Kreis crowd are dumber than a box of rocks.
 
NYCFCFan10 said:
Higher Allocation ranking > SuperDraft every day of the week, dimwit. Higher allocation ranking gives you better access to PROVEN players that CFG can EASILY afford.

That wasn't the mistake. The mistake came AFTER Orlando selected the SuperDraft. Which was the argument you wrongly interjected in.

My god, the pro-CFG/anti-Kreis crowd are dumber than a box of rocks.
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Allocation Order of #1 vs #2 means nothing to a returning USMNT player - the player will end up where they want to, just ask Chicago about that. If I was the NYCFC braintrust, I'd like my chances that anybody NYCFC wanted would rather live/play in NYC over Orlando any day of the year. Therefore, the Super Draft with a guy like Larin, whom they could easily afford, would have been the more logical choice.
 
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