Mls CBA 2015 Thread
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I think the players know that this season is critical for the owners and so the owners will need to be extra generous in these negotiations.
Hopefully it works and we don't see a strike.
Hopefully it works and we don't see a strike.
Former RSL center back Nat Borchers discusses the MLS CBA negotiations
http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/2121777-155/former-rsl-center-back-nat-borchers
http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/2121777-155/former-rsl-center-back-nat-borchers
Well it looks like we found the sticking point. Single Entity.
http://americansoccernow.com/articles/mls-single-entity-status-driving-free-agency-battle
http://americansoccernow.com/articles/mls-single-entity-status-driving-free-agency-battle
We knew it was going to be a battle but no one thought this was going to be a war. This is going to be bad and looking like we are heading to a short stoppage. It seems like that or it will get decided at the very last second.
Single entity is specifically designed to keep player salaries low. I hope the players take this to court, because it would never stand, based on the spending on DPs.
De mantling the single entity would take years. If that's the line in the sand, we might as well start posting on a different message board.
My solution:
Unlimited DP spots, effectively going around single-entity. Keep the cap, make that the restricting factor on how many DP's can be signed (e.g. $5 million cap, DP threshold at $125k, cost max of $500k against the cap, can likely sign 5-6 major DP's over $500k before running into the cap). Institute luxury tax, so every dollar over the $500k threshold costs 25 cents to a equally distributed revenue sharing pool. If you invest in your team, you invest in the league.
Other class of players become League Players (LP's). They each earn a minimum of $75k per year. Each year they are in the league, they get a $10k raise, but max out at $125k after five years of service. They are signed with the league, but their salary is fixed. Their player movement is controlled by the league through the existing allocation draft.
Sample player costs:
4 major DP's for $10m total per year, $1.875m luxury tax, salary cap hit of $2m
5 minor DP's for $1m total per year, salary cap hit of $1m
16 LP's at an average of $100k per year, cost and salary cap hit of $1.6m
Total Costs: $10m + $1.875m + $1m + $1.6m - [revenue sharing payout] = $14.475m - [revenue sharing payout]
This is a little bit more than double the average cost of player payroll currently, with the average salary for the 30 man rosters at a little above $200k.
It gives players a significant pay raise, yet keeps costs highly controlled. It allows for more players to escape the allocation draft, provided they earn the right to enter free agency by being worth more than the LP's minimum.
It also provides a framework for moving forward and modernizing the league's structure. Each year, teams are forced to sign more and more players as DP's as the talent pool improves. Eventually (like 10 years from now), the LP salary structure becomes the league minimum, and all players contract directly with their teams.
Unlimited DP spots, effectively going around single-entity. Keep the cap, make that the restricting factor on how many DP's can be signed (e.g. $5 million cap, DP threshold at $125k, cost max of $500k against the cap, can likely sign 5-6 major DP's over $500k before running into the cap). Institute luxury tax, so every dollar over the $500k threshold costs 25 cents to a equally distributed revenue sharing pool. If you invest in your team, you invest in the league.
Other class of players become League Players (LP's). They each earn a minimum of $75k per year. Each year they are in the league, they get a $10k raise, but max out at $125k after five years of service. They are signed with the league, but their salary is fixed. Their player movement is controlled by the league through the existing allocation draft.
Sample player costs:
4 major DP's for $10m total per year, $1.875m luxury tax, salary cap hit of $2m
5 minor DP's for $1m total per year, salary cap hit of $1m
16 LP's at an average of $100k per year, cost and salary cap hit of $1.6m
Total Costs: $10m + $1.875m + $1m + $1.6m - [revenue sharing payout] = $14.475m - [revenue sharing payout]
This is a little bit more than double the average cost of player payroll currently, with the average salary for the 30 man rosters at a little above $200k.
It gives players a significant pay raise, yet keeps costs highly controlled. It allows for more players to escape the allocation draft, provided they earn the right to enter free agency by being worth more than the LP's minimum.
It also provides a framework for moving forward and modernizing the league's structure. Each year, teams are forced to sign more and more players as DP's as the talent pool improves. Eventually (like 10 years from now), the LP salary structure becomes the league minimum, and all players contract directly with their teams.
First, let's say half the teams are bigger spenders and half aren't. Those teams at the bottom will be getting a $1-2 million revenue sharing payout each year.
Second, you're going to have that problem in any system that increases the cap, right? And a cap increase is surely coming. We've already made the decision to allow some teams to spend spend spend by having DPs in the first place, so this is nothing new.
Not really, the owners really don't want to give up free agency and installing a cap floor for teams like san Jose.
I don't think they can do revenue sharing like that, based on how much teams are spending, and keep up the single entity charade. As of now, they are all shareholders in MLS. If some shareholders are paying others based on how much they are investing in the enterprise, it looks a lot more like a competitive arrangement.
http://www.sbisoccer.com/2015/02/holding-federal-mediators.html
League not budging. Mediators good for players, IMO. League's single entity position is a farce.
League not budging. Mediators good for players, IMO. League's single entity position is a farce.
Apparently that Has been said to be premature. No mediators yet but I think we will get there soon.
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I'm excited for the season to start but if the players have to go on strike to get decent salaries, then I'm all for it.
Players seem to be in the mindset that a strike is going to happen.
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/...mls-union-standing-firm-says-strike-imminent/
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/...mls-union-standing-firm-says-strike-imminent/
That would be the worst, most cancerous thing possible at the start of this season. Yes cancer would not be too strong a term for it. It would be bad enough if it happened in the future never mind now. Really could anyone think of something more disastrous anything else that has happened so far would pale in comparison. Obviously its not something people seem too worried about but not much we could do if it happened. That's why all the focus should be on pre season. Hopefully this is the last I'll have to say on this subject.
Not even getting into the logistical stadium nightmare it would bring.
Not even getting into the logistical stadium nightmare it would bring.
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