NYCFC Players Wanted Thread

We should use the TAM and allocation money we got from poku plus mullins and possibly a mix trade to get a young centerback like kenny otigba. relatively unknown centerback who had a decent season with dutch club SC heerenveen.
Another centerback? Why?

I get it if we hadn't signed Chanot already, but we now have Brillant, Chanot, Mena, Hernandez, and both White and Bravo can play back there as well.
 
Look at my salary cap analysis thread for a rough estimate. (But I should update it with the players that have been moved and acquired).

http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/nycfc-2016-salary-cap-analysis.4624/
Only people who know work for the team and MLS and that information is likely on a need to know basis. Like adam said, the best thing we can do is guess.

We'll have a better idea of how much is used when the players union releases the contract amount, but until then it's all guesswork.

Thanks guys, and Adam, that is a great resource.

In order to really understand what we are doing with TAM, one has to know how big the transfer fees were for some of the new players. In the press releases for the acquisitions of both Matarrita and Brillant, the Club stated that "targeted allocation money was used" to acquire the player. This is strange since both of those guys make less than the league's maximum salary of $457K (Brillant makes $300K and Matarrita makes $175K), and TAM can only be used on players that make more than the league max. This means that the transfer fees for those guys had to be high enough that, when amortized over the length of the contract, they bring the total annual cost above the league max.

Accordingly, it's not possible to really estimate how much TAM we have used without knowing the terms of the transfers. This is now also true of Chanot, as the same language was included in the press release for his acquisition.
 
Thanks guys, and Adam, that is a great resource.

In order to really understand what we are doing with TAM, one has to know how big the transfer fees were for some of the new players. In the press releases for the acquisitions of both Matarrita and Brillant, the Club stated that "targeted allocation money was used" to acquire the player. This is strange since both of those guys make less than the league's maximum salary of $457K (Brillant makes $300K and Matarrita makes $175K), and TAM can only be used on players that make more than the league max. This means that the transfer fees for those guys had to be high enough that, when amortized over the length of the contract, they bring the total annual cost above the league max.

Accordingly, it's not possible to really estimate how much TAM we have used without knowing the terms of the transfers. This is now also true of Chanot, as the same language was included in the press release for his acquisition.


Thank you. So if I have you right, it's possible that the transfer fee for Matarrita was close to $600k assuming a two year deal? And the fee for Brillant could have been $300k assuming a two year deal? Does that make sense?
 
Thank you. So if I have you right, it's possible that the transfer fee for Matarrita was close to $600k assuming a two year deal? And the fee for Brillant could have been $300k assuming a two year deal? Does that make sense?
Oh I can help there, the transfer fee was $300k for Matarrita (with a sell on clause). adam feel free to put that on your spreadsheet.
 
If that's the case, then they should not have been able to use TAM on Matarrita.

TAM can be used purely on acquisition costs. Using it to buy down a cap hit is only one application.

Targeted Allocation Money may be used in four ways:
  • Clubs may use the funds to sign a new player provided his salary and acquisition costs are more than the maximum salary budget.
  • Clubs may re-sign an existing player provided he is earning more than the maximum salary budget.
  • Clubs may use a portion of or all of the available Targeted Allocation Money to convert a Designated Player to a non-Designated Player by buying down his salary budget charge to at or below the maximum salary budget charge. If Targeted Allocation Money is used to free up a Designated Player slot, the club must simultaneously sign a new Designated Player at an investment equal to or greater than the player he is replacing.
    • A club retains the flexibility to convert a player bought down with Targeted Allocation Money into a Designated Player if that club has a free Designated Player slot.
  • Clubs may trade their Targeted Allocation Money to another club.
http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/content/roster-rules-and-regulations
 
TAM can be used purely on acquisition costs. Using it to buy down a cap hit is only one application.
http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/content/roster-rules-and-regulations

No. Read that part again (repeated below with the important part underlined). The combined amount still must be more than the maximum salary budget, which is $457K. Matarrita's is not more and that's true whether you add to the $150K salary all of the $300K in acquisition costs or amortize them over the term of his contract.

Clubs may use the funds to sign a new player provided his salary and acquisition costs are more than the maximum salary budget.​
 
No. Read that part again (repeated below with the important part underlined). The combined amount still must be more than the maximum salary budget, which is $457K. Matarrita's is not more and that's true whether you add to the $150K salary all of the $300K in acquisition costs or amortize them over the term of his contract.

Clubs may use the funds to sign a new player provided his salary and acquisition costs are more than the maximum salary budget.​
The only thing I could think of, is they were to somehow value the sell-on clause as a potential future liability, and "add" it to the value of his transfer fee and salary amount to bring him over the maximum salary budget.
 
No. Read that part again (repeated below with the important part underlined). The combined amount still must be more than the maximum salary budget, which is $457K. Matarrita's is not more and that's true whether you add to the $150K salary all of the $300K in acquisition costs or amortize them over the term of his contract.

Clubs may use the funds to sign a new player provided his salary and acquisition costs are more than the maximum salary budget.​

Oh, I just assumed that combined, they would have added up to more than the maximum budget charge.
 
Oh, I just assumed that combined, they would have added up to more than the maximum budget charge.

Right. I had assumed so as well. I think this either means there is something else going on with the comp, or we can't believe everything we read in the press releases (probably the later).
 
Considering Spurs just signed Victor Wanyama, I'd imagine Nabil Bentaleb and Ryan Mason are both currently surplus to requirements and either one or both will not see much time next season. Either would be a fairly decent signing, especially given their ages. (Mason is 25, Bentaleb is 21)

"Whoa; are you stupid? Why would they come to MLS?"

Because both of them aren't likely to see much (if any) playing time, they're both coming off injuries so top teams are less likely to be willing to take a chance on them, and because New York is a pretty appealing place to live?

"Ok fine, lets say the do want to come here, how do we sign them? We don't have any DP or International spots available!"

DP spot is the easiest to work around, a Nigel De Jong type of contract, a low non-DP salary this year where upon staying healthy and playing a certain number of games this season they'd become a DP next year and occupy Lampard or Pirlo's spot as a DP and in midfield.

"Ok what about the international spot?"

No reason we can't trade for another spot and allocation money to help pay the contract down. We'd be getting another midfielder, so we'd be able to part with a midfielder or two, Mix and Poku likely having the biggest value to other teams.

Neither player would be a big name, but they'd be in line with what Vieira and Reyna want, building a team through the middle.

Can we just go out and sign them? No, but we'd be foolish if we didn't look to sign players like this.
Bentaleb being let go by Spurs. SNATCH HIM UP!

 
Mason is headed to Bournemouth.

I would take Bentaleb in a heartbeat.

I would probably take 90% of Prem league players in a heartbeat to be honest.
 
Following up on Orlando Berrio... NYCFC's initial offer for him back in June was rejected. Haven't heard anything since then and now he was offered to Racing Club in Argentina. Safe to say Berrio won't be in MLS anytime soon.

http://www.ole.com.ar/racing/berrio-racing_0_1619238213.html

Ugh. Then again, Tommy is such an unsung hero that had we signed Barrio, I'd almost rather have sat Lampard and moved Tommy to CAM. He could have at least boxed-to-boxed better than Lampard, and he's such a cerebral player that his positioning at any attacking position is excellent. And we know that wouldn't have happened.
 
Ugh. Then again, Tommy is such an unsung hero that had we signed Barrio, I'd almost rather have sat Lampard and moved Tommy to CAM. He could have at least boxed-to-boxed better than Lampard, and he's such a cerebral player that his positioning at any attacking position is excellent. And we know that wouldn't have happened.


Lampard has made a bigger impact than McNamara. But your point is fair than Barrios would not have cracked the Starting 11.

We are seriously lacking some offensive punch off the bench. Tony Taylor, Khiry Shelton, Steven Mendoza - these guys aren't scaring anyone.
 
Can we discuss the fact that no one, seemingly in MLS, or elsewhere wants Mix?
Perhaps not at the price MLS is requiring....

What kills me about the situation is Mix could have been a huge help in the two recent losses. Lampard wasn't mobile in either the SKC or RB match and a fully rested Mix could have meant we were playing with 3 in the midfield rather than only two when defending. I know the Front Office doesn't want to damage the "goods" before a trade and PV is trying to prove a disciplinary point, but cutting off your nose to spite your face is problematic when a high energy guy was available for a low energy midfield.
 
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