NYCFC Season Discussion 2024: The Definition of NYCFC is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over and Getting the Same Result

We've been consistently clueless at picking strikers. Other than David Villa, Taty and for brief moments Héber and Alonzo Martínez, we've picked stinker after stinker.

Jo Inge Berget, Adam Nemec, Stiven Mendoza, Jovan, Bakrar come quickly to mind.
 
This is all speculation from the outside looking in but the Jovan signing stinks of CFG meddling. He doesn't fit the way we play at all, no one picking players with the best interest of NYCFC in mind would have picked Jovan. Lee can't possibly be that clueless. My read is that CFG wanted Jovan in the system and the high-ups in Europe still underestimate the quality of MLS and thought a guy being chased by big clubs in Europe could coast in the MLS on talent regardless of fit and experience.

That's not to say Lee shouldn't own some of the blame. He may not have the final say on some of these big signings but he should be trying to influence the guys sent our way to the best of his ability. This nonsense didn't happen when Claudio was here.
This is reasonable. Claudio had a biographical heft that Lee does not. Plus I like to think he threw down the “you fucked me with Lampard and then saddled me with Pirlo (and then embarrassed me by putting it on a damn movie)” card as much as possible as a reason for never doing what they wanted again. Lee has much less leverage.
As for Jovan, it’s also possible they realized he needed development, but thought the rest of the team would carry him. But the play style part is a mystery. He doesn’t just not fit with us; he shouldn’t mesh with any CFG team.
 
Jovan played his best game as he came in to be a second forward next to Bakrar... Which is how he played in Serbia, we expected him to be an amazing lone striker who scores in bunches but he should really be paired with another striker, something we almost never do. Kid was set up to fail
 
We're probably making the playoffs.
With 5 games left for all the relevant teams, NYC has a 7-9 point lead on DC, ATL, NSH and MTL just below the playoff line. It roughly means that if NYC gets no more points one of those teams needs to win 3 games in the final 5 to pass us (MTL needs 3 wins and a draw) to push us below them and all of CLT, TOR and PHI currently sitting in spots 7-9 need to climb over us as well. If NYCFC gets just 2-3 more points it gets even harder to knock us out. The Playoff Status site gives us just a 1% chance to miss the playoffs.

But I don't think that will have much effect on whether Cushing or Lee are let go or come back. When they fired Kreis they said it was because they did not make the playoffs, and a lot of people took that literally. I think it meant "we'd rather give no reason but that does not seem to be an option so we will say this because we don't want to say he's just not that competent, nobody likes him, and he comes off as a bit of sociopath in our new movie."

But again, people took it at face value and fair enough, and then when they did not fire Cushing after no playoffs last year, some seem to have taken this to mean the bar for firing the coach is now miss the playoffs twice, unless you seem like a sociopath, then it's still one maybe.

Personally, I don't think there's any rules. They will fire people when they think it is likely to lead to improvement, and maybe give made up reasons. Torrent probably came close to being fired early in 2019 based on 18 points in 19 games and being real whiny before things turned around dramatically. I sometimes wonder whether maybe Deila does not last absent the 2021 playoff run.

I think that barring a late burst and solid showing in the playoffs then CFG will look at 2 straight years of failing to meet expectations and shake up local management. That's my best guess anyway. If not, I think it's because they cannot line up anyone as a replacement they believe will be better. These are not desirable jobs right now. For the coach/manager, the roster does not look especially promising to work with. For a new sporting director, there's little flexibility for the next 1-2 years given contract dates and roster rules. Sure there's always someone who will take a top level job and someone always thinks I can do what the current people cannot, but that does not mean CFG will think those people are the right people. But my guess is if season ends pretty much with the current status quo then somebody goes.
 
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Jovan played his best game as he came in to be a second forward next to Bakrar... Which is how he played in Serbia, we expected him to be an amazing lone striker who scores in bunches but he should really be paired with another striker, something we almost never do. Kid was set up to fail
I recently was searching X looking for something else, and inadvertently came across a number of Serbian NT fans discussing Jovan in mostly English. This is exactly their take. They see him as a superb second striker floating in a false 9/winger role in the spaces behind and around a first striker. They are absolutely befuddled, and unhappy, at how we are using him. Even adjusting for how national fans often think coaches abroad treat their stars poorly, they probably have a point.

ETA: this is not inconsistent with the possibility he showed up out of shape or with a poor disposition.
 
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I recently was searching X looking for something else, and inadvertently came across a number of Serbian NT fans discussing Jovan in mostly English. This is exactly their take. They see him as a superb second striker floating in a false 9/winger role in the spaces behind and around a first striker. They are absolutely befuddled, and unhappy, at how we are using him. Even adjusting for how national fans often think coaches abroad treat their stars poorly, they probably have a point.

ETA: this is not inconsistent with the possibility he showed up out of shape or with a poor disposition.

It makes sense with regards to how Jovan plays, I would worry about spacing issues with Santi as a large part of his game is cutting into that false 9/winger space underneath the striker. Assuming we keep a back 4 and the double pivot of Sands and Parks, I don't know how you set up the attack with a true striker, Jovan at CF, and Santi playing in his typical space without giving up all of our width and ending up with a bunch of guys running into each other at the top of the 18.
 
Team stat quirk I just noticed: the 2021, 2022, 2023, and (for now) 2024 teams all have 11 losses. That's a 4-way tie for second behind the 17 in 2015. It's a good demonstration that getting Wins matters much more than avoiding losses by way of draws. I think everyone knows that but this made it a bit clearer for me. 2024 will likely have more losses than 2023, but it's a modestly better season because it also already has 2 more wins.
 
2024 NYCFC vs 2021 NYCFC Compare and Contrast

Both have 41 points through 34 games, and similar paths to get there. 2021 had a better start, but then 2024 caught up by Game 12, and they stayed more or less in sync from that point with slight ups and downs.
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But aside from points, 2021 is a much better team than 2024, mostly due to defense.
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2021 has 10 fewer Goals Allowed, 12 fewer xGA, and 9 more xPoints.
2021 was extremely unlucky and underperformed through 30 games. 2024 is what it seems, mostly.
And before anyone says we always underperform our xG, we don't. Six seasons of positive G-xG and 4 negative, average +1.50. In fact, 2021 ended up a net positive because the team exceeded xG by a crazy +3.66 over the final 4 games.

So a late run is not impossible, but this team needs to improve a whole lot on defense before those Sands/Gudi wishcasting comparisons become likely. Sorry.
 
It's well known NYC is in the playoffs. They can finish anywhere from 4th to 9th.

Remaining Magic Numbers for NYC to finish ahead of each team and avoid tiebreakers:

3 Philadelphia and Montreal (this keeps us out of the Play-In Game). NYC has 2 more wins than both. Union has a +6 GD advantage, Club Foot is -21 to NYC. They can in theory make up both the points and win deficits.
8 Charlotte. NYC has 1 more win and +1 GD relative to Charlotte. Many ways to play out remain.
10 Red Bull. NYC has 2 more wins. I believe it's not possible for RB to make up the win deficit and end in a points tie so the real Magic Number is 9.
12 Orlando. Lions have 1 more win and +2 GD relative to NYC. It is possible to make up the 2 point deficit and not make up the win deficit, eg Lions finish 1-2-0 and NYC finishes 1-0-2. But if that happens we inevitably make up the 2 GD deficit, at least, depending on the margins in Orlando's losses.
 
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We have two games left:
vs Nashville
at Montreal

We are two points behind Orlando City. They have:
at Cincinnati
vs Atlanta

Considering they are likely to win against Atlanta, we probably need to win both of our remaining games to get the 4-seed. Nashville is scratching and clawing to stay in the playoff picture and Montreal could already be locked into the 8-seed by the time we play them.

Tough, but possible, for us to climb to 4. Win these last two games and see where the winds blow for us.
 
We have two games left:
vs Nashville
at Montreal

We are two points behind Orlando City. They have:
at Cincinnati
vs Atlanta

Considering they are likely to win against Atlanta, we probably need to win both of our remaining games to get the 4-seed. Nashville is scratching and clawing to stay in the playoff picture and Montreal could already be locked into the 8-seed by the time we play them.

Tough, but possible, for us to climb to 4. Win these last two games and see where the winds blow for us.

Going to have some tired legs heading into the third game in a week after the ref made us play 120 min tonight.
 
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Going to have some tired legs heading into the third game in a week after the ref made us play 120 min tonight.
Good point. That sure was some bullshit. At least we’re home. Or should I say, “home.”
 
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Magic Numbers with 2 games remaining:

For Orlando to clinch over NYCFC 5
For NYC to overtake Orlando 7

For NYC over
RB 6
Charlotte 5

NYC can finish 4-7.
Apologies mgarbowski mgarbowski. Can you give a small refresher on magic number? I was thinking it must be points related but it’s impossible to get 7 points out of 2 games. But then I know Orlando has to drop points for us to pass them so maybe that has something to do with it. But I’m clearly missing something. Thank you in advance.
 
Apologies mgarbowski mgarbowski. Can you give a small refresher on magic number? I was thinking it must be points related but it’s impossible to get 7 points out of 2 games. But then I know Orlando has to drop points for us to pass them so maybe that has something to do with it. But I’m clearly missing something. Thank you in advance.
Sure. The magic number is the combination of points won plus the an opponent's points dropped. For example, with the magic number of 5 for Charlotte NYC can clinch finishing ahead of Charlotte this weekend if NYC wins (3 points) and Charlotte ties (2 dropped) or worse. My magic numbers generally mean finishing a full point ahead so tiebreakers are not a concern. Currently, RB is an exception because it is easy to see that it is impossible for NYC and RB to finish tied and get past the first tiebreaker where NYC has a 2 win advantage. RB can make up the win deficit and end with more points than NYC, and it can finish tied, but it cannot finish tied and make up the 2 win deficit.
 
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From Nicks's comments after the Cincinnati game about momentum being the most important thing going into the playoffs I assume he is going to go for it in the final two games. Still, I have to wonder if rotation and rest for some key players for at least one of the two games would be more helpful than a higher seed at this point.