Patrick Vieira Appointed As NYCFC Coach

[Keith Putnam]

I've seen this beaten up on Twitter today. I have no problem with it.

Oh, I don't have a problem with it either, but I know a lot of folks on this board get super upset by the fact that our ownership has the audacity to treat NYCFC as subordinate to a massively more successful and popular team in a massively more successful and popular league.

 

[Kjbert]

Oh, I don't have a problem with it either, but I know a lot of folks on this board get super upset by the fact that our ownership has the audacity to treat NYCFC as subordinate to a massively more successful and popular team in a massively more successful and popular league.

Thank you. We are an MLS franchise. This is a business. What I like is that CFG is committed enough to this man to find him a job here, with an eye towards him managing in the EPL.

 

[BxLio91]

I agree Kjbert. If Vieira was sent here with no intentions of giving him the Manchester job, the narrative would have been CFG doesn't care about NYC so they're dumping their EDS coach. No that they're dangling the MCFC job in front of him, he has the massive motivation to do the best possible job he can here for 3 years. Foreign managers have no pressure in MLS. There's no relegation and if you fail you don't have to care because you can always go back to Europe and coach a lower tier team. This is Vieira's chance to coach a title contender so you know he's going to do his best in NYC. Let the twitter/reddit circlejerk exchange digital fluid and just ignore Alexi Lalas who's still bitter about his failure in NJ

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

I agree Kjbert. If Vieira was sent here with no intentions of giving him the Manchester job, the narrative would have been CFG doesn't care about NYC so they're dumping their EDS coach. No that they're dangling the MCFC job in front of him, he has the massive motivation to do the best possible job he can here for 3 years. Foreign managers have no pressure in MLS. There's no relegation and if you fail you don't have to care because you can always go back to Europe and coach a lower tier team. This is Vieira's chance to coach a title contender so you know he's going to do his best in NYC. Let the twitter/reddit circlejerk exchange digital fluid and just ignore Alexi Lalas who's still bitter about his failure in NJ

Lol

 

[LionNYC]

I agree Kjbert. If Vieira was sent here with no intentions of giving him the Manchester job, the narrative would have been CFG doesn't care about NYC so they're dumping their EDS coach. No that they're dangling the MCFC job in front of him, he has the massive motivation to do the best possible job he can here for 3 years. Foreign managers have no pressure in MLS. There's no relegation and if you fail you don't have to care because you can always go back to Europe and coach a lower tier team. This is Vieira's chance to coach a title contender so you know he's going to do his best in NYC. Let the twitter/reddit circlejerk exchange digital fluid and just ignore Alexi Lalas who's still bitter about his failure in NJ

My mind hasn't been blown by the Red Bulls or Alexi Lalas yet. And I'm pretty sure that can of Red Bull is filled of tears of their fans.

 

[Fantazma]

I've seen this beaten up on Twitter today. I have no problem with it. Do MLS fanboys really expect MLS squads to recruit managers like Ancelotti, Mourinho and Pep? We're a step below that. Any manager that truly succeeds here will be up for bigger jobs. That's the state of the league.

dont think its "a Step" more like a few below that....though to be fair i think Carlos Alberto Gomes Parreira came to coach MLS after winning world up.

still, i dont know how much time pelligrini has....since they are willing to go all out to get pep at Man city.....but i do think Vieira doesnt get Man city job he will get another job if he does well here.

if he leaves some silver wear behind then zero fucks will be given.

 

[JGarrettLieb]

I agree Kjbert. If Vieira was sent here with no intentions of giving him the Manchester job, the narrative would have been CFG doesn't care about NYC so they're dumping their EDS coach. No that they're dangling the MCFC job in front of him, he has the massive motivation to do the best possible job he can here for 3 years. Foreign managers have no pressure in MLS. There's no relegation and if you fail you don't have to care because you can always go back to Europe and coach a lower tier team. This is Vieira's chance to coach a title contender so you know he's going to do his best in NYC. Let the twitter/reddit circlejerk exchange digital fluid and just ignore Alexi Lalas who's still bitter about his failure in NJ

BxLio91 I think the problem we have in the US is a perceptional one based on the common expectations of the American sports fan. To whit an American sports fan expects the league that they follow to be the global top flight league in that sport because for every sport worth putting on TV in the US, that is not soccer, that concept holds true.

In essence I postulate that American sports fans neither know how to react nor what to expect when supporting teams in a second class league. We have yet to internalize the notion that sending Managers and players off to better leagues is a net positive for us. On an intellectual level some of us might be able to bite our tongues and acknowledge that doing so garners increased international attention and makes skilled personnel more likely to come here, many others react negatively. People aren't getting the fact that we have to eat our shit sandwiches and pretend to enjoy them before we can go dictating terms with either world class personnel, or potential world class personnel.

 

[JayH]

I'm not bothered by the PV grooming news at all. Under those circumstances, as BxLio91 said perfectly, PV has all the incentive in the world to excel here in order to continue that trajectory. My only concern/hope is that a succession plan will be considered earlier than it ordinarily would so that PV's ultimate departure will not disrupt the team and that the replacement transaction will be as seamless as possible. Assuming we are in a good place at that time, it could mean transitioning the team to another coach or someone else in the organization who knows the players, style, dynamics, etc. It would feel strange for PV to leave if things are going well, but, if it can be done relatively smoothly, I think I would be comfortable with it.

 

[Ulrich]

I agree Kjbert. If Vieira was sent here with no intentions of giving him the Manchester job, the narrative would have been CFG doesn't care about NYC so they're dumping their EDS coach. No that they're dangling the MCFC job in front of him, he has the massive motivation to do the best possible job he can here for 3 years. Foreign managers have no pressure in MLS. There's no relegation and if you fail you don't have to care because you can always go back to Europe and coach a lower tier team. This is Vieira's chance to coach a title contender so you know he's going to do his best in NYC. Let the twitter/reddit circlejerk exchange digital fluid and just ignore Alexi Lalas who's still bitter about his failure in NJ

Bitter about San Jose, NJ, and LA..... he has a lot of failures to be bitter about

 

[JGarrettLieb]

dont think its "a Step" more like a few below that....though to be fair i think Carlos Alberto Gomes Parreira came to coach MLS after winning world up.

still, i dont know how much time pelligrini has....since they are willing to go all out to get pep at Man city.....but i do think Vieira doesnt get Man city job he will get another job if he does well here.

if he leaves some silver wear behind then zero fucks will be given.

Ehh if I had to make a judgement call I would say that on the USMNT level US soccer is in a place where we can start going for people like Pelligrini and Pep. Our international team is considered a major soccer power and after the Klinsmann contract runs out we will probably be seeing a lot of rumor around very big names.

But then again that's what happens when the result that won't get you fired is making the round of 16 at the World Cup.

Look our current FIFA ranking is 32, and that is after a serious run of terrible form. At least on a national team basis the US can play with the big boys. In a match against the big boys like Germany we will probably loose, but the game will not be easy for Germany.

 

[JayH]

BxLio91 I think the problem we have in the US is a perceptional one based on the common expectations of the American sports fan. To whit an American sports fan expects the league that they follow to be the global top flight league in that sport because for every sport worth putting on TV in the US, that is not soccer, that concept holds true.

In essence I postulate that American sports fans neither know how to react nor what to expect when supporting teams in a second class league. We have yet to internalize the notion that sending Managers and players off to better leagues is a net positive for us. While intellectually some of us might bite our tongues and acknowledge that doing so garners increased international attention and makes skilled personnel more likely to come here, many others react negatively. People aren't getting the fact that we have to eat our shit sandwiches and pretend to enjoy them before we can go dictating terms about world class personnel, or potential world class personnel.

Folks who follow U.S. college sports are more inclined to understand this and react more reasonably to the jump of a coach from a successful program. It's commonplace for college coaches to leave successful programs simply to move to a bigger/better team, richer school, better conference, (anticipate sanctions), etc. College coaches follow the pattern of stepping stones. They leave some angry former students/fans behind, but I think the fan base generally understands it. I agree that this mindset is less common for pro sports in the U.S. where it's less likely for a coach to leave during good times, and certainly not likely that coaches will ever move to foreign leagues (other than our scenario).

 

[whill4]

Not saying we are a farm team. But man. They never fail to make us sound like one every time they open their mouths.

 

[JayH]

Not saying we are a farm team. But man. They never fail to make us sound like one every time they open their mouths.

Agree on this too, while I expressed my thoughts above, the delivery certainly was less than optimal.

 

[Kjbert]

I would say the World Leagues are something like this:

Tier 1:
Barclays Premier League
Bundesliga
Ligue 1
Seria A
La Liga

Tier 2:
Portugal
Turkey
Belgium
Holland
Russia

Tier 3:
MLS
Liga MX
Norway
Sweden
Argentina
Brazil
The Championship

I think MLS is closer to Tier 2 than anyone else on that list right now - at least their trajectory is. Garber wants MLS to be a "top league" by 2022. I think that constitutes being on the level of a Portugal or Holland. And that is doable. If sometime in the interim, PV leaves to become the Man City boss (let's say 5 years after Pep has done his time there), it would be appropriate for him to make the jump from a Tier 2 league to a top league. That's my thinking at least.

 

[Keith Putnam]

The Championship

Just to butt in, I feel like the Championship is more of a Tier 2 in your system. Or, at least, when I watch Championship matches the average level of play is significantly superior to most MLS matches.

 

[typicalcity]

Paddy's last game in charge of city eds tomorrow night .most euro games are streamed on either city site or you tube ,maybe check out who's coming on loan next season

 

[JayH]

Paddy's last game in charge of city eds tomorrow night .most euro games are streamed on either city site or you tube ,maybe check out who's coming on loan next season

If you end up having any of the links handy (especially youTube), kindly share.

 

[Fantazma]

I would say the World Leagues are something like this:

Tier 1:
Barclays Premier League
Bundesliga
Ligue 1
Seria A
La Liga

Tier 2:
Portugal
Turkey
Belgium
Holland
Russia

Tier 3:
MLS
Liga MX
Norway
Sweden
Argentina
Brazil
The Championship

I think MLS is closer to Tier 2 than anyone else on that list right now - at least their trajectory is. Garber wants MLS to be a "top league" by 2022. I think that constitutes being on the level of a Portugal or Holland. And that is doable. If sometime in the interim, PV leaves to become the Man City boss (let's say 5 years after Pep has done his time there), it would be appropriate for him to make the jump from a Tier 2 league to a top league. That's my thinking at least.

i know this is not the thread for it but i i disagree with your tiers 2/3......i mean belgium has a world class national team but their clubs have not done much in terms of euro success. pretty sure liga mx can go toe to toe with them maybe even win, as i do also think some MLS teams can give club brugge a fight as well and even win. also holland as a league has to somehow lost its magic...sadly, id like it to regain strength but only PSV is doing ok at best in europe. so yes championship, liga mx, and even some liga MX seem to be at very least same level...same goes with brazil

 

[typicalcity]

If you end up having any of the links handy (especially youTube), kindly share.

If you end up having any of the links handy (especially youTube), kindly share.

Its saying live coverage on mcfc official twitter account maybe that will give a link.

If you end up having any of the links handy (especially youTube), kindly share.

Just checked its a 13:00 GMT kick off carnt find any links as yet but blue moon has an eds forum which may help.
All the youngsters have their own threads and it might be worth a browse to see what people think of any players that get linked.

 

[Kjbert]

It's not about the top teams in the league - it's about the overall strength of the league.

But either way, there is a clear delineation between the top leagues vs. the rest of Europe and the Americas. Garber wants to be in the same conversation with the peripheral UCL leagues like Turkey and Portugal.