nycfc.com has Reyna listed as sportiugn director, and some other guy as youth team administrator
Patrick Vieira Appointed As NYCFC Coach
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Understood. But Claudio was brought in to create a youth program. His hands are on the developmental squad, the new league they created, bringing the 12 associated clubs under the NYCFC umbrella and scouting the best youth players in our region.
My statement related specifically to the supposed intricacies of the rules. I don't think they are as difficult to learn as folks suggest, particularly if it is your job to understand and apply them. Not respecting them, as you say, meaning choosing not to learn them or embrace them (some, indeed, have made that mistake), is different.
I would believe that Reyna understands the rules. That doesn't mean he has made or will make sound personnel decisions or recommendations, to the extent he even has that power. If someone is making poor personnel decisions for us, my guess is that it will not be because the MLS rules are difficult to understand.
Sporting Director usually is just the European way of saying General Manager. Just like American GMs how much control they have over operation depends on their specific situation and team. The Knicks GM Steve Mills has next to no say in basketball decisions, whereas Celtics GM Danny Ainge runs the show.
Reyna I think is definitely overseeing the youth development. Until he signed with NYCFC, he was the youth technical director for U.S. Soccer.
Reyna I think is definitely overseeing the youth development. Until he signed with NYCFC, he was the youth technical director for U.S. Soccer.
MagnusPax
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If that's true, then big error #1.
MagnusPax
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Let me spin it this way, Vieira doesn't know barely anything about the player pool in MLS. He will rely on Reyna to do this. I don't believe either can effectively do this job. And never has anyone vetted any player decisions with this forum. That needs to stop now.
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Sorry posted in the wrong place.
As to each of your points:
Agree that PV doesn't know much about MLS talent. But disagree that this is dispositive.
Agree that he will rely on Reyna for this. But believe that Reyna and others in the organization should be in a position to provide at least some useful input on league talent. We will have to see how they fill out their roster over the next few seasons. Last season isn't a good gauge (both as a new team having to choose from retreads, and JK clearly rigging the personnel decisions relating to MLS talent). Having JK's league knowledge certainly didn't turn out to be an advantage in year 1. Let's see what CR and co. have learned. TBD
I am more optimistic than you that PV can effectively do this job. If Reyna's job is to focus on the youth programs, remind PV about MLS rules (which, again, I believe are overrated in difficulty), and weigh in on league talent, I hope he can do this effectively, but we shall see.
Agree that we have some very smart, well-versed folks on here who certainly are in a position to offer sound advice regarding personnel decisions. Rumor has it, PV has begun frequenting this forum often recently under a mysterious moniker, including this very thread. So be nice!
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It's a problem that Vieira will be expected to figure out MLS roster rules and put together a team and Reyna is not going to help. The problem is that for the best possible outcome for us, NYCFC should get a GM who understands MLS to help Vieira. I'm sure PV is a smart guy, but let's put our coach and team in the best possible situation to win. If what you say is true, then they did not give that to Kreis, which is unfortunate. Let's change that now.
Let me preface this as a big MAYBE, but reading this back/forth between both of you, PERHAPS Kreis had much more control of the roster than anybody actually knows? If Reyna was brought in to do the youth setup, and JK had more control than we realize, was that CFG putting JK in the "bad" position, or did JK want the control since he was the supposed MLS expert? I think there are a bunch of what-ifs out there, but what we do know are the following three things:
1. JK said he had final say on players.
2. PV has said he has final say on players (or something similar).
3. CR now is now publicly tasked to make personnel decisions (whatever that truly means with regard to #2).
I want what's best for the team, and if it's been determined that the manager needs more help making the decisions, then do it and make changes to the organizational structure. But I find it hard - if not impossible - to believe that JK would accept the manager role with all of the personnel decisions resting on his shoulders (because CR was focusing on academy) if he didn't want that control. If he was in a position to take it, he took it, because he's a control freak & too smug not to want to be omnipotent (like Bruce Arena in LA).
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Thinking and believing the MLS rules can be studied and understood by an outsider does not automatically equal to "not respecting the rules"...you are making a logical leap there. just to point it out
MagnusPax
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Concerning PV,I was reading an article about ex Newcastle & ex Toronto coach John Carver wanting to come back to MLS. The following paragraph from that article struck me. So is PV doing this?
I want to go somewhere where I can build something," Carver told Goal USA . "I'm probably a lot more placid and calmer than I used to be. I don't take things as personally after the five months I've gone through with Newcastle. I just see how it's developed. I keep a close eye on MLS. I watch all the games. I even watch the games on Y Scout, the scouting tool. I know more than people might think I would about the league. If an opportunity came around again I'd love to go back into it and make a go of it. There's no reasons for me not to stay and develop a career in MLS."
http://m.goal.com/s/en-us/news/1110...r-another-chance-to-coach-in-mls?ICID=HP_HN_1
I want to go somewhere where I can build something," Carver told Goal USA . "I'm probably a lot more placid and calmer than I used to be. I don't take things as personally after the five months I've gone through with Newcastle. I just see how it's developed. I keep a close eye on MLS. I watch all the games. I even watch the games on Y Scout, the scouting tool. I know more than people might think I would about the league. If an opportunity came around again I'd love to go back into it and make a go of it. There's no reasons for me not to stay and develop a career in MLS."
http://m.goal.com/s/en-us/news/1110...r-another-chance-to-coach-in-mls?ICID=HP_HN_1
lol i doubt it, maybe now he will start watching At most he might of watched a few to see how angelino/ facey did.
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Why should I care if Carver or Vieira get a European job? All I'm concerned with is that Vieira is doing everything he can to learn this league and prepare to lead our club to the MLS Cup. I hope Vieira is doing things like carver, that he's using tools like Y Scout (isn't it WY Scout?) to become familiar with MLS and its players.
Reyna is definitely in the spotlight this season. It is clear that he is now in charge of player acquisition, at least on the domestic side. He'll be the next head to roll if we don't make progress in year two.
Reyna sucks at picking players, I think he was responsible for Calle and Nemec. Just have to hope Vieira can be like Klopp and get the most out of what he has
I believe Kreis was responsible for Calle. Kreis and coaches were the ones that traveled to South America on a 3 weeks scouting tour.
