Patrick Vieira Appointed As NYCFC Coach

[danger]

I don't particularly see a reason to defend Reyna after year 1 -- we'll see what happens shortly with off-season moves -- but I'm not sure I agree with Demichelis as the "perfect example" of how Reyna/the front office lacks knowledge.

"Over the past few days, multiple sources mentioned that Manchester City defender Martín Demichelis was on the verge of being loaned to New York City." Ok, which sources? There are no links. The Daily Mirror article on 11/27 (which doesn't even attribute the information to an anonymous source within CFG/MCFC/NYCFC/etc)? The Diario AS article on 11/25 which said MCFC wanted to cede Demichelis to NYCFC? Or every other newspaper and blog article that just said that 'reports have begun to emerge'? The scant information available would suggest this was coming from across the pond and not the other way around

 

[Kjbert]

The hatred of Reyna by some posters on here is completely unfounded.

The issue for Claudio is that the team hasn't done a good job of telling the average fan what his role is within the organization. I would be shocked if PV is here longer than CR. Shocked.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

The hatred of Reyna by some posters on here is completely unfounded.

The issue for Claudio is that the team hasn't done a good job of telling the average fan what his role is within the organization. I would be shocked if PV is here longer than CR. Shocked.

Did you miss the part where Soriano stated that the Football Director was responsible for the player acquisitions in NYC?

 

[Kjbert]

Did you miss the part where Soriano stated that the Football Director was responsible for the player acquisitions in NYC?

Ferran should probably tell Claudio then.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Ferran should probably tell Claudio then.

Did you hear something directly from reyna?

 

[mgarbowski]

I know there's a theory that Reyna is only here for development and Kreis/Vieira was/is in charge of the roster. It might have been true for Kreis but it can't possibly be the case for Veira. Not because an American or guy with years of MLS experience has ot be in charge, but because somebody has to have the contacts and knowledge base of college prospects, USL prospects, and other players in the league. Vieira can develop that, and maybe even in time for 2017. I did notice somebody reported that he has been following some scouting/development report or service for MLS for a few months now as part of his MC development duties. But there's no substitute for somebody who shakes hands, meets people, and gets a sense of things beyond a scouting report. If Claudio is not the guy doing that for us, who is? We need to make roster moves in the next few weeks and it's almost impossible that Veira has enough knowledge to maneuver through those options on his own right now without getting significant advice and input from others. Do we have player management people in positions below Reyna to guide him through this stuff? Maybe we do. I honestly don't know. Who are they? Nobody has mentioned any of them to this point, and given my obsessive reading of this forum I'm pretty sure it has been discussed and I just missed it.

 

[BxLio91]

I don't particularly see a reason to defend Reyna after year 1 -- we'll see what happens shortly with off-season moves -- but I'm not sure I agree with Demichelis as the "perfect example" of how Reyna/the front office lacks knowledge.

"Over the past few days, multiple sources mentioned that Manchester City defender Martín Demichelis was on the verge of being loaned to New York City." Ok, which sources? There are no links. The Daily Mirror article on 11/27 (which doesn't even attribute the information to an anonymous source within CFG/MCFC/NYCFC/etc)? The Diario AS article on 11/25 which said MCFC wanted to cede Demichelis to NYCFC? Or every other newspaper and blog article that just said that 'reports have begun to emerge'? The scant information available would suggest this was coming from across the pond and not the other way around

The writer blamed Reyna for the fact that newspapers in Europe were speculating about Demi's future and went with the obvious connection we have while being unaware of MLS rules.

Narratives are a motherfucker.

 

[MagnusPax]

I know there's a theory that Reyna is only here for development and Kreis/Vieira was/is in charge of the roster. It might have been true for Kreis but it can't possibly be the case for Veira. Not because an American or guy with years of MLS experience has ot be in charge, but because somebody has to have the contacts and knowledge base of college prospects, USL prospects, and other players in the league. Vieira can develop that, and maybe even in time for 2017. I did notice somebody reported that he has been following some scouting/development report or service for MLS for a few months now as part of his MC development duties. But there's no substitute for somebody who shakes hands, meets people, and gets a sense of things beyond a scouting report. If Claudio is not the guy doing that for us, who is? We need to make roster moves in the next few weeks and it's almost impossible that Veira has enough knowledge to maneuver through those options on his own right now without getting significant advice and input from others. Do we have player management people in positions below Reyna to guide him through this stuff? Maybe we do. I honestly don't know. Who are they? Nobody has mentioned any of them to this point, and given my obsessive reading of this forum I'm pretty sure it has been discussed and I just missed it.

Isn't that hipster 20 something guy who's a pro at FIFA 16/FM16 the de facto player scout/acquisition specialist? We're in good hands my friends.

 

[NYdoesitEZ]

The writer blamed Reyna for the fact that newspapers in Europe were speculating about Demi's future and went with the obvious connection we have while being unaware of MLS rules.



Narratives are a motherfucker.

but how can one exclude the possibility that Reyna, fully aware of the rules, wanted to try to see if he could get MLS bend backwardsd to accommodate? never hurts to try, right? maybe one out of the 30 times you try such moves Don G will crack under the pestering/pressure and relent?
We simply don't know how things go down and the details behind. we have to admit that.

 

[Seth]

We simply don't know how things go down and the details behind. we have to admit that.

If only more people here on the forum would say something like that more often...

 

[BxLio91]

but how can one exclude the possibility that Reyna, fully aware of the rules, wanted to try to see if he could get MLS bend backwardsd to accommodate? never hurts to try, right? maybe one out of the 30 times you try such moves Don G will crack under the pestering/pressure and relent?
We simply don't know how things go down and the details behind. we have to admit that.

I agree that we don't know. But writing an article and blaming Reyna because of some reporters' specultions is ridiculous.

 

[Kjbert]

That's probably the worst website that pertains to NYCFC. Say what you want about EoS, but the coverage is not editorialized. That Hudson River Blue is like a RBNY site painted in blue.

 

[BxLio91]

That's probably the worst website that pertains to NYCFC. Say what you want about EoS, but the coverage is not editorialized. That Hudson River Blue is like a RBNJ site painted in blue.

Giving empire of red bull too much credit.

 

[FootyLovin]

Re Demi: As has been stated, we don't know what we don't know. That said, I disagree with the HRB conclusion that since the deal didn't happen it was a bad deal to attempt. I want our FO working to find ways to get things done. If it was a straight loan, then maybe they have a point. But what if it was an attempt by MCFC to buy out his contract and then have him resign with NYC? Point is, we don't know.

Re Reyna/Kreis: It makes sense that Kreis would have more input into player selection for year 1. He and Reyna had 2 years at the helm with zero games. That's plenty of time without coaching duties. What else was Kreis going to do?

Re Reyna: Again, disagree with HRB. They claim Reyna doesn't have the background to be good at player selection because he only played 35 games here. Who cares? With two years to watch all the video he could get his hands on before his team ever took the field, he had plenty of time to bone up.

Re "Continental" school: This is one thing I really did like about the HRB article. I'd never heard those terms before. Continental school makes a lot of sense in the modern era and with MLS's rules. So now we are in our second offseason. Now the job is fully Reyna's. Before it was split (we don't know how) between Claudio and Kreis. Let's all sit back a bit and at least get through this silly season before we claim to have a reasonable slate of information to draw conclusions about Reyna.

Of course, in February, the gloves can (and I'm sure will) come off.

 

[Falastur]

But what if it was an attempt by MCFC to buy out his contract and then have him resign with NYC? Point is, we don't know.

I know what you're saying, but I doubt it was anything like this. If they were trying to buy out his contract then either MCFC or NYCFC has to shoulder the financial burden of paying a year and a half of his salary in one go - around £5m, or $7.5m - plus his loyalty bonus, which would be instantly triggered by the club trying to get rid of him before his contract is up, so that's an unspecified number of millions more. If that club is NYCFC, the buyout practically goes down as a transfer fee and, if my understanding of MLS rules is correct, that makes him a DP by default anyway. If it's MCFC then that's a multiple million-pound hit on the accounts which is going to hurt their FFP planning all for the sake of moving a player to NYC.

On top of all of this, this all relies on the idea that the player would not be angered by his club telling him "we want you to move to NYC so we are terminating your contract", which is generally a recipe for disaster and costly payouts. Considering that he's talked numerous times of going back to Argentina, I can't see him then wanting to sign a permanent contract anywhere, especially after all that.

Anyway, I know your point was just that we don't really know the truth behind the story, but I just felt the need to say that in this instance, it pretty much has to be a loan or nothing (and since it's already been shot down then clearly nothing, though this could also apply for other potential moves in the future).

 

[Kjbert]

I hate all the Continental bullshit. This is CFG. They were NEVER going to build a club like RSL or FC Dallas built a club. They were always going to make a splash. Get used to it. They will find a way to rewrite the script here in MLS somehow. I'm confident of that. What I don't know is how long that will take. But aside from hopefully having a developmental squad that rivals FCD or NYRB, they will make splashy signings.

 

[Drainyoo]

I've been out of the loop on the news the last few weeks but... has Vieira begun to work with the team yet, and will he be manning the team against PR?

 

[D_RoyJenkins]

I've been out of the loop on the news the last few weeks but... has Vieira begun to work with the team yet, and will he be manning the team against PR?

No, he starts Jan 1st. He'll be PR as a spectator

 

[Keith Putnam]

Well, no surprises here, but confirmation-ish that CFG placed Vieira at NYCFC to groom/audition him for the big chair back at the mothership.

"It was important that we could find the next development stage for Patrick and it was still part of the group," Marwood said. "That opportunity came about in New York. We are really excited, he is really excited by it and I think it is exactly the next step he needs."

"Hopefully, at some point, he'll come back and manage Manchester City. That's the ambition for him and that's the ambition for us. But he has to go through this learning curve."​

http://www.espnfc.us/barclays-premi...-could-be-future-man-city-manager-after-nycfc

 

[Kjbert]

I've seen this beaten up on Twitter today. I have no problem with it. Do MLS fanboys really expect MLS squads to recruit managers like Ancelotti, Mourinho and Pep? We're a step below that. Any manager that truly succeeds here will be up for bigger jobs. That's the state of the league.